Thoughts on Grading Cards...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

It's a nice card ( again) Leon, but not sure where it fits into your consistency statement. The card is graded correctly . Good, 2

I guess opinions can differ. If you think that is a 2 so be it. I don't. I have heard too many resubmission stories but maybe they are all wrong. Happy collecting...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...oAAOSwgApW~WWs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...p2047675.l2557
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[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Leon

I guess opinions can differ. If you think that is a 2 so be it. I don't. I have heard too many resubmission stories but maybe they are all wrong. Happy collecting...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...oAAOSwgApW~WWs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...p2047675.l2557
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Well PSA 3 and 4 does allow for light crease. Your runs nearly to to bottom and is clearly visible. Don't get me wrong, I love the card! I can't see it ever being awarded more than 2.5. I think they got it right. Just an opinion of which there are many

[irv]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Well PSA 3 and 4 does allow for light crease. Your runs nearly to to bottom and is clearly visible. Don't get me wrong, I love the card! I can't see it ever being awarded more than 2.5. I think they got it right. Just an opinion of which there are many

I have 52 yr old eyes mind you but I do not see a crease in, Leon's card anywhere?

The worst I see is a small stain on the back of his card but there is no way in hell that card is a 2.

Like what Leon has shown, his card is "clearly" nice/better than those 2.

[Stonepony]

Ok Dale, there's no crease. Agree it's a really nice card.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Ok Dale, there's no crease. Agree it's a really nice card.

Didn't think so.

[steve B]

My eyes must be as bad as Daves...

Looks like a crease running almost straight down from the E in Mickey.

One of those cases where the technical grade can't tell the whole story.
And yes, way nicer looking than the other two. If I had the dough I'd offer to pick up whatever was around that was even close to that nice after Leon was done buying.

Steve B

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by Leon

I guess opinions can differ. If you think that is a 2 so be it. I don't. I have heard too many resubmission stories but maybe they are all wrong. Happy collecting...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...oAAOSwgApW~WWs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...p2047675.l2557
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Leon, you're a hobby veteran, so I'm surprised, but you're mixing up "eye appeal" and "technical grade." It's a beautiful card, but PSA's grading standards state that if a card exhibits a clearly visible crease, it will get a PSA 2 or lower. That is black & white and not open to opinion. But again, the card is gorgeous, and exhibits eye appeal that FAR exceeds the technical grade. I believe that in an auction the card would sell for much more than other PSA 2 copies of the same card. But that does not mean it is not technically graded correctly as a 2. A card can be both a beautiful specimen and a PSA 2. These 2 attributes are not mutually exclusive.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

Leon, you're a hobby veteran, so I'm surprised, but you're mixing up "eye appeal" and "technical grade." It's a beautiful card, but PSA's grading standards state that if a card exhibits a clearly visible crease, it will get a PSA 2 or lower. That is black & white and not open to opinion. But again, the card is gorgeous, and exhibits eye appeal that FAR exceeds the technical grade. I believe that in an auction the card would sell for much more than other PSA 2 copies of the same card. But that does not mean it is not technically graded correctly as a 2. A card can be both a beautiful specimen and a PSA 2. These 2 attributes are not mutually exclusive.

Actually, not to be too much of a hardhead but You are wrong about a crease, to start with, according to the written standards. Not that it matters but this "crease" is a wrinkle as there is NO creasing on the back, it's a wrinkle. Even if it were a crease it wouldn't matter it should still be a higher grade ACCORDING TO PSA'S WRITTEN RULES. It should have easily been a 3 imo.....

I am surprised of the pushback and apparent ignorance of PSA's written standards on the PSA grading of the Mantle. It is clearly misgraded to me but of course I am bias. I am surprised though, the PSA advocates don't know these guidelines by heart. From their website-

"A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back."

Even when going to a PSA 4 their site says "A light crease may be visible."

With those standards this card easily qualifies for a 3 possibly a 3.5, imo......


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[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, not to be too much of a hardhead but You are wrong about a crease, to start with, according to the written standards. Not that it matters but this "crease" is a wrinkle as there is NO creasing on the back, it's a wrinkle. Even if it were a crease it wouldn't matter it should still be a higher grade ACCORDING TO PSA'S WRITTEN RULES. It should have easily been a 3 imo.....

I am surprised of the pushback and apparent ignorance of PSA's written standards on the PSA grading of the Mantle. It is clearly misgraded to me but of course I am bias. I am surprised though, the PSA advocates don't know these guidelines by heart. From their website-

"A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back."

Even when going to a PSA 4 their site says "A light crease may be visible."

With those standards this card easily qualifies for a 3 possibly a 3.5, imo......


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If you feel that strongly- and I understand- what could you possibly have to lose by a resubmission. The card has a wrinkle/ crease. Resubmit to the TPG of your choice and if the card comes back any higher than 2.5- I will personally reimburse your submission fees. Go for it. And once more...Nice card