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Old 05-21-2017, 01:29 PM
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Default Would appreciate opinion on Roberto Clemente Post Cereal Auto

Hello there,

I would appreciate an opinion on this Clemente auto Post Cereal card from the board members who are more knowledgeable than me.

Thank you in advance for all your time and patience.

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Old 05-21-2017, 01:38 PM
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Default Smaller Image of same card...



Thanks again,
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:55 PM
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Hi Lucky,

Got your message. Although I know some signatures fairly well, Clemente is not one of those. If I don't know the sig well, I tend to not comment because I don't think it's fair to the person asking if my opinion is little more than a guess.

I feel that some of the peeps that know Clemente will chime in eventually but unfortunately, I don't know his sig well enough to opine.

Good luck,

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Old 05-22-2017, 07:15 PM
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Default Greatly appreciate your time..

Hello Mike,

Thank you for your input.

It is very much appreciated..

Lucky.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:04 PM
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Clemente is tough and many (including PSA and JSA amongst others) used to get it wrong. I will admit that I generally steer clear of Clemente unless i am very convinced about authenticity (looks good to me and a program page or multi signed autograph album). Items that could be signed in person at the ballpark. With what I consider limited knowledge, I would say this looks like the thru the mail secretarials that were common from that period.

Maybe Jim or Richard will chime in with more details. Jason
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:47 PM
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Default I think the answer may lie in the last letter of first name?

Hello Jason,

I know when it comes to a Roberto Clemente auto, there have been many collectors that have been faced with a reality that their auto is actually not genuine. I am in no way an expert when it comes to autograph authentication but i do try to research as much as possible in order to increase my odds of not purchasing a non-authentic piece. I owe a ton of gratitude to a couple of board members here for keeping me on the right path over these many years.

I believe that the key may lie in the last letter of his first name. Because most of his autographs don't exhibit that characteristic of a loop back over the T, i would figure that if it was a forgery, they would be made to look like all the rest of the Clemente autos. I have seen the Phil Dorsey ones and to my knowldege, this signature is different in slant, flow, certain letter characteristics.

I then found 2 other autos that i used a a benchmark. One can be found on the PSA/DNA Auto Facts on Roberto Clemente, and the other on a Roberto Clemente check. You can see the similar characteristic on the loop over the T. I may still be far off base..LOL

I have left them here for you and other board members.

Thank you again for your much valued input.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:59 PM
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Default Larger Image of Clemente Signed Check

Here is an up close view of the loop over the T in his first name on the signed check.

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Old 05-23-2017, 09:55 PM
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You can see by the amount of comments on this one how tough it is. No one wants to put their head out to get chopped off.

You state your case well and when I buy an autograph i only have to convince myself. If you feel good about it then that is all that matters. Like I said, I have limited knowledge with Clemente. I doubt you are going to get many comments based on the subject though. Maybe some others will chime in
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Old 05-24-2017, 06:59 AM
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on this thread Jason...LOL

As i mentioned before, i am in no way an expert or pretend to know a lot about autograph authentication, but i try to minimize my errors.

Another thing i thought about is, if forged, why choose a Post Cereal Issue and why not an attractive baseball card?

Let's hope some of the conoscienti will offer some thoughts.

Thank you.
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:52 AM
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Default Details in the R and C or is Dorsey that good?

Hello all, since the thread has come to a standstill i just wanted to add some more information for thought and analysis. I was just using signed check examplars as a reference because i am assuming that Mr. Clemente did not have anyone signing his checks for him.

I have already left a photo in previous posts of another check that had the loop over from the letter O to the letter T. I am now seeing a similar characteristic on a portion of the lower portion of the R in the first letter of his first name. Also, some similarities in the C in his last name.

I tried to manage with some photoshop improv, but as you can see, i struggled with the application. LOL

Maybe i am seeing something that is not there, but was Dorsey that good?
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:55 AM
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Here you go.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:39 PM
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It's definitely not a "Dorsey."

Just a forgery.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:53 PM
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Another thing i thought about is, if forged, why choose a Post Cereal Issue and why not an attractive baseball card?


Thank you.
To mask the forgery.
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:07 PM
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Thank you Chris for all your valued input.

It is very much appreciated.

Thank you.
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Old 05-27-2017, 03:54 PM
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Thank you Chris for all your valued input.

It is very much appreciated.

Thank you.
You're welcome.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:29 PM
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Default Similar characteristics...no?

Hi Chris,

Would yo be able to chime in on what is a tell tale sign from this Clemente piece that is being offered in Goldin Auctions recent auction, as compared to the signed card?

Maybe it is just my eyes that play games with me? Probably more my inexperience..LOL

Thank you for your patience with this issue.

Link of Lot:
https://goldinauctions.com/Roberto_C...-LOT31255.aspx

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Old 05-30-2017, 04:43 PM
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Hi Chris,

Would yo be able to chime in on what is a tell tale sign from this Clemente piece that is being offered in Goldin Auctions recent auction, as compared to the signed card?

Maybe it is just my eyes that play games with me? Probably more my inexperience..LOL

Thank you for your patience with this issue.

Link of Lot:
https://goldinauctions.com/Roberto_C...-LOT31255.aspx

Lucky.
Sorry, but I never reveal what differentiates a forgery from an authentic autograph.
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:56 PM
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I completely understand Chris...

Thank you for your time.
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