U3 matchbook master checklist?

[obcmac]

Anybody have a master checklist for U3-1 matchbooks with known variations (both color and text/pose)? Thought about starting a list here, but I'd rather not reinvent the wheel if it's already been done.

Mac

[nolemmings]

I would be interested in seeing one, whether created here or linked from elsewhere. Six or seven years ago I tried tracking these (I once had a few). I have an old spreadsheet showing confirmation of 56 red, 59 blue and 66 green from the U3-1 series, which I have not updated in awhile. I did note the differing years and have dozens of scans, and I can give specifics if you want to start a list.

[UKCardGuy]

TCDB.com has a checklist of the various U3 matchbook series

https://www.tcdb.com/Search.cfm?Sear...mond+matchbook

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

TCDB.com has a checklist of the various U3 matchbook series

https://www.tcdb.com/Search.cfm?Sear...mond+matchbook

Thanks for the info. The TCDB doesn't have any of the color/text variations listed unfortunately. (That's where I started)

[BobC]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

TCDB.com has a checklist of the various U3 matchbook series

https://www.tcdb.com/Search.cfm?Sear...mond+matchbook

Basically, those TCDB checklists of Diamond Matchbooks are almost exactly the same as the checklists in the old SCD catalogs that Bob Lemke used to be editor of. So just get one of the old SCD catalogs if you want checklists.

However, one of those TCDB Diamond Matchbook checklists is apparently incorrect. The number 4 checklist on that TCDB link, 1936 Diamond Matchbooks, shows a total of 18 matchbooks in the set, which includes 2 variations of Fritsch's matchbooks, and 3 versions of Grimm's matchbooks. The SCD catalog shows 13 matchbooks in the set, but only separately counted 2 of the 3 Grimm matchbook versions, so the SCD checklist actually contains 14 different matchbooks. The main difference between this matchbook set and the other non-silver or non-black border Diamond Matchbook sets was that on the back of this matchbook set, the team name was printed right below the player's name at the top. The other sets had no team name printed separately on the backs.

The difference of 4 matchbooks between the two sets is made up of the 1 Fritsch matchbook variation that the SCD catalogs didn't include, along with individual matchbooks of Dizzy Dean, Paul Waner, and Augie Galan. And if you look at the Galan matchbook image shown for this checklist on the TCDB site, you'll see it does not include the team name on the back. That image is of a matchbook from the 1936 Diamond Matchbooks Chicago Cubs set, the number 5 listed set on the TCDB site. So it clearly does not belong on this checklist for the 1936 Diamond Matchbooks. Oddly, or maybe conveniently, there are no images shown for the Dean and Waner matchbooks on this 1936 Diamond Matchbooks checklist, and due to the obvious Galan error, I would suspect that Dean and Waner don't belong on this checklist either. I would better trust the SCD checklist, at least until someone could provide an image of any of those three players showing the team name on the back of their matchbooks.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Thanks for the info. The TCDB doesn't have any of the color/text variations listed unfortunately. (That's where I started)

Are you trying for a master set with all the red, green, blue borders for each player, and so on? If so, good luck, that's going to be a heck of a project. As for other image/text variations or versions, sorry, I'm only aware of the very few listed in the SCD and TCDB checklists myself. Would be interested to see such a master checklist(s) for these if you ever do come across any. Again, good luck.

[obcmac]

Here is just a partial list of what variations I've seen so far. Eventually I'll catalog the ones I only have one of to see if others have variations. I did notice a few errors in the TCDB version as well...mostly including those from the Cubs set. Many variations add text at the end, but some maintain similar text with some variations (fun). Color variations that just have same text in different colors are less common than I thought.

I'll put the rolling updates in this list.

Bejma, Ollie Green ends in country
Bejma, Aloysius Green ends in 34 campaign
Birkofer Age 24 Green ends in losing 12
Birkofer Age 27 Red ends in 21 lost
Bucher green ends in hitter
Bucher blue 1935 ends in .303
Collins blue ends in .333
Collins red ends in .313
Collins green ends in .313
Cuccinello Green Dodgers, C on jacket, mentions 27 years old on second line
Cuccinello Green Bees, no C on jacket, no mention of age
Davis Blue no mention of age
Davis Green mentions age 30 on second line
Durocher Green ends 35 season
Durocher Red ends ohio
Fitzsimmons Green mentions age 33 on second line
Fitzsimmons Blue no mention of age
B.Frey Red Ends in "Nashville"
B.Frey Blue references 35 season, Ends in Batted 344
L.Frey Green ends "last season"
L.Frey Green ends "36 Campaign"
Galen Green references 35 ends "Cal"
Galen Red references 34 ends "34"
Grimm Red ...completed 16 years...ends in pennant
Grimm Blue ...completed 17 years..., ends in 35
Hadley Green Yankees ends in "1935"
Hadley Green Senators ends in Mass
Charles Hartnett Red ends in 190 lbs
Gabby Hartnett Red ends in '34
Charles Hartnett (portrait...is from Cubs set)
Hayworth Red photo with chest protector, ends in .309
Hayworth Blue no chest protector, ends in pitching
Herman Green nothing on jersey ends in flag
Herman Green partial text on jersey, ends in 1934
Herman big stripe around neck (is from Cubs set) ends in .310
Jordan Red Ends in N.C.
Jordan Green ends in campaign
Klein Blue ends in .346
Klein Blue ends in .3524
Knickerbocker green above waist picture ends in games
Knickerbocker green below waist (3/4 pose) ends in hitter
Koenig green ends in infield
Koenig red ends in season
Kress Blue ends in .298
Kress Blue ends in outfield
Lee red ends in set-backs
Lee red ends in 14
Leonard red ends in 11
Leonard green ends in shut-out
Linke green ends in lost 2
Linke blue ends in lost 2
Linke red ends in losing 7
McNair blue Red Sox ends in size
McNair red Athletics ends in runs
Medwick blue ends in Series
Medwick red ends in .353
Parmalee green Giants ends in six
Parmalee red Cardinals ends in Giants
Selkirk green ends in doubles
Selkirk blue ends in line-up
Spohrer blue Braves ends in "resides in Philadelphia PA"
Spohrer red Bees ends in "home is in Philadelphia PA"
Stone red ends in .315
Stone blue ends in nevertheless
Suhr green (similar text to red) last line includes only baseman
Suhr red (similar text to green) last line "player's first baseman"
Urbanski Blue Bees no mention of age on line 2
Urbanski Red Braves mentions age 30 on line 2
Warneke green ends in lbs
Warneke blue ends in season

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by BobC

Basically, those TCDB checklists of Diamond Matchbooks are almost exactly the same as the checklists in the old SCD catalogs that Bob Lemke used to be editor of. So just get one of the old SCD catalogs if you want checklists.

However, one of those TCDB Diamond Matchbook checklists is apparently incorrect. The number 4 checklist on that TCDB link, 1936 Diamond Matchbooks, shows a total of 18 matchbooks in the set, which includes 2 variations of Fritsch's matchbooks, and 3 versions of Grimm's matchbooks. The SCD catalog shows 13 matchbooks in the set, but only separately counted 2 of the 3 Grimm matchbook versions, so the SCD checklist actually contains 14 different matchbooks. The main difference between this matchbook set and the other non-silver or non-black border Diamond Matchbook sets was that on the back of this matchbook set, the team name was printed right below the player's name at the top. The other sets had no team name printed separately on the backs.

The difference of 4 matchbooks between the two sets is made up of the 1 Fritsch matchbook variation that the SCD catalogs didn't include, along with individual matchbooks of Dizzy Dean, Paul Waner, and Augie Galan. And if you look at the Galan matchbook image shown for this checklist on the TCDB site, you'll see it does not include the team name on the back. That image is of a matchbook from the 1936 Diamond Matchbooks Chicago Cubs set, the number 5 listed set on the TCDB site. So it clearly does not belong on this checklist for the 1936 Diamond Matchbooks. Oddly, or maybe conveniently, there are no images shown for the Dean and Waner matchbooks on this 1936 Diamond Matchbooks checklist, and due to the obvious Galan error, I would suspect that Dean and Waner don't belong on this checklist either. I would better trust the SCD checklist, at least until someone could provide an image of any of those three players showing the team name on the back of their matchbooks.

Here are the Dean U3-1 and U3-2 variations

[BobC]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Here is just a partial list of what variations I've seen so far. Eventually I'll catalog the ones I only have one of to see if others have variations. I did notice a few errors in the TCDB version as well...mostly including those from the Cubs set. Many variations add text at the end, but some maintain similar text with some variations (fun). Color variations that just have same text in different colors are less common than I thought.

I'll put the rolling updates in this list.

Bejma, Ollie Green ends in country
Bejma, Aloysius Green ends in 34 campaign
Birkofer Age 24 Green ends in losing 12
Birkofer Age 27 Red ends in 21 lost
Bucher green ends in hitter
Bucher blue 1935 ends in .303
Collins blue ends in .333
Collins red ends in .313
Collins green ends in .313
Cuccinello Green Dodgers, C on jacket, mentions 27 years old on second line
Cuccinello Green Bees, no C on jacket, no mention of age
Davis Blue no mention of age
Davis Green mentions age 30 on second line
Durocher Green ends 35 season
Durocher Red ends ohio
Fitzsimmons Green mentions age 33 on second line
Fitzsimmons Blue no mention of age
B.Frey Red Ends in "Nashville"
B.Frey Blue references 35 season, Ends in Batted 344
L.Frey Green ends "last season"
L.Frey Green ends "36 Campaign"
Galen Green references 35 ends "Cal"
Galen Red references 34 ends "34"
Grimm Red ...completed 16 years...ends in pennant
Grimm Blue ...completed 17 years..., ends in 35
Hadley Green Yankees ends in "1935"
Hadley Green Senators ends in Mass
Charles Hartnett Red ends in 190 lbs
Gabby Hartnett Red ends in '34
Charles Hartnett (portrait...is from Cubs set)
Hayworth Red photo with chest protector, ends in .309
Hayworth Blue no chest protector, ends in pitching
Herman Green nothing on jersey ends in flag
Herman Green partial text on jersey, ends in 1934
Herman big stripe around neck (is from Cubs set) ends in .310
Jordan Red Ends in N.C.
Jordan Green ends in campaign
Klein Blue ends in .346
Klein Blue ends in .3524
Knickerbocker green above waist picture ends in games
Knickerbocker green below waist (3/4 pose) ends in hitter
Koenig green ends in infield
Koenig red ends in season
Kress Blue ends in .298
Kress Blue ends in outfield
Lee red ends in set-backs
Lee red ends in 14
Leonard red ends in 11
Leonard green ends in shut-out
Linke green ends in lost 2
Linke blue ends in lost 2
Linke red ends in losing 7
McNair blue Red Sox ends in size
McNair red Athletics ends in runs
Medwick blue ends in Series
Medwick red ends in .353
Parmalee green Giants ends in six
Parmalee red Cardinals ends in Giants
Selkirk green ends in doubles
Selkirk blue ends in line-up
Spohrer blue Braves ends in "resides in Philadelphia PA"
Spohrer red Bees ends in "home is in Philadelphia PA"
Stone red ends in .315
Stone blue ends in nevertheless
Suhr green (similar text to red) last line includes only baseman
Suhr red (similar text to green) last line "player's first baseman"
Urbanski Blue Bees no mention of age on line 2
Urbanski Red Braves mentions age 30 on line 2
Warneke green ends in lbs
Warneke blue ends in season

Mac,

Are those the variations from just one of the different sets, or across all of them? If across multiple sets, how do you know which variations are for which sets? And if just one set, which one?

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by BobC

Mac,

Are those the variations from just one of the different sets, or across all of them? If across multiple sets, how do you know which variations are for which sets? And if just one set, which one?

Those are all variations from the u3-1 set unless noted like this (U3-2 in this case):
Herman big stripe around neck (is from Cubs set) ends in .310

I can delete those eventually, but it helps with identification.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Those are all variations from the u3-1 set unless noted like this (U3-2 in this case):
Herman big stripe around neck (is from Cubs set) ends in .310

I can delete those eventually, but it helps with identification.

Gotcha, good to know. And never realized there could be so many variations. Wow!

[obcmac]

Here is the complete checklist as it stands. Waiting on some verifications. Please send additions my way. Thanks.

Allen blue ends in 35 (color variation)
Allen green ends in 35 (color variation)
Almada green ends in hitter
Auker blue ends in '34
Bartell red ends in Terrymen
Bejma, Ollie Green ends in country
Bejma, Aloysius Green ends in 34 campaign (color variation)
Bejma, Aloysius Red ends in 34 campaign (color variation)
Bell green ends in "in."
L. Berger blue ends in '34
W. Berger red ends in parks.
Birkofer Age 24 Green ends in losing 12
Birkofer Age 27 Red ends in 21 lost
Bishop green ends in man
Blaeholder red ends in Calif.
Bonura green ends in runs.
Bottomly red ends in 1928
Brandt red ends in setbacks (color variation)
Brandt blue ends in setback (color variation)
Brennan green ends in amount (color variation)
Brennan red ends in amount (color variation)
L. Brown blue ends in '35
W.Brown green ends in La.
Bryant blue ends in Orleans (color variation)
Bryant red ends in Orleans (color variation)
Bryant green ends in Orleans (color variation)
Bucher green ends in hitter
Bucher blue 1935 ends in .303
Burnett red ends in Fla.
Burns green ends in mass (color variation)
Burns blue ends in mass (color variation)
Cain blue ends in 17
Cantwell blue ends in 11
Carey red ends in year
Carleton red ends in 35
Cascarella blue ends in singer
Casey blue ends on option (color variation)
Casey red ends on option (color variation)
Caster red ends in '34
Cavarretta green ends in 0.
Chiozza green ends on year (color variation)
Chiozza red ends on year (color variation)
Cihocki blue ends in diamond
Clifton blue ends in Ohio
Coffman red ends in 34
Coleman green ends in "in."
Collins blue ends in .333
Collins red ends in .313 (color variation)
Collins green ends in .313 (color variation)
Conlon blue ends in Chicago (color variation)
Conlon red ends in Chicago (color variation)--first example looked like a proof
Cramer green ends in N.J.
Critz blue ends in Mississippi
Crowder red ends in city
Cuccinello green Dodgers, C on jacket, mentions 27 years old on second line
Cuccinello blue Bees, no C on jacket, no mention of age, ends in plays (color variation)
Cuccinello green Bees, no C on jacket, no mention of age, ends in plays (color variation)
Cuyler red ends in foot
V.Davis Blue no mention of age in line two, ends in Wilson
V.Davis Green mentions age 30 on second line, ends in Wilson
Dean red ends in 182 (color variation)
Dean green ends in 182 (color variation)
Dean blue ends in 182 (color variation)
Derringer red ends in baseball
De Shong blue ends in Brooklyn
Dietrich green ends in 34
Durocher Green ends 35 season
Durocher Red ends ohio
Earnshaw red ends in staff
English green ends in 278
Finney green ends in Ala
Fischer red ends in 34
Fitzsimmons Green mentions age 33 on second line, ends in lose
Fitzsimmons Blue no mention of age, ends in lose
B.Frey Red Ends in "Nashville"
B.Frey Red ends in 344 (color variation)
B.Frey Blue ends in 344 (color variation)
L.Frey (batting) Green ends "last season"
L.Frey (batting) Green ends "36 Campaign"
Frisch red ends in games
Galan Green ends in "Cal" (color variation)
Galan Red ends in "Cal" (color variation)
Galan Red references 34 ends "34"
Galatzer red ends in 1934 (color variation)
Galatzer green ends in 1934 (color variation)
Galenhouse green ends in Ohio
Garms blue ends in 1934
Giuliani red inds in "in"
Grace blue ends in 1931 (color variation)
Grace red ends in 1931 (color variation)
Grimm red ...completed 16 years...ends in pennant
Grimm blue ...completed 17 years..., ends in 35
Grube red ends in 34
Hack red ends in .2885 (color variation)
Hack blue ends in .2885 (color variation)
Hadley Green Yankees ends in "1935"
Hadley Green Senators ends in Mass
Hale red ends in campaign
Hallahan blue ends in 12
Hanson blue ends in Chicago
Harder green ends in league
Charles Hartnett Red ends in 190 lbs (color variation)
Charles Hartnett Blue ends in 190 lbs (color variation)
Gabby Hartnett Red ends in '34
Charles Hartnet (portrait...is from Cubs set)
Hatter red ends in 1935
Hayworth Red photo with chest protector, ends in .309
Hayworth Blue no chest protector, ends in pitchers
Herman Green nothing on jersey ends in flag
Herman Green partial text on jersey, ends in 1934
Herman big stripe around neck (is from Cubs set) ends in .310
Hinkle red ends in Ohio
Hockette blue ends in 34 (color variation)
Hockette green ends in 34 (color variation)
Holbrook green ends in Miss
Hooks red ends in league
Hoyt green ends in series
Hubbell red ends in 621 (color variation)
Hubbell green--ends in 621 (color variation)
Joiner green ends in pitcher
Jones red ends in 1934
Jordan blue ends in N.C. (color variation)
Jordan red Ends in N.C. (color variation)
Jordan green ends in campaign (color variation)
Jordan red ends in campaign (color variation)
Jorgens blue ends if Chicago
Jurges green ends in 1934
Kamm red ends in seasons
Kennedy blue ends in 35 campaign
Kerr green ends in 272
Klein (CHUCK) Blue ends in .346
Klein (Chuck) Blue ends in .3524
Kleinhans green ends in 36 campaign
Knickerbocker green above waist picture ends in games
Knickerbocker green Thighs up (3/4 pose) ends in hitter
Knott blue ends in games
Koenig blue ends in infield (color variation)
Koenig green ends in infield (color variation)
Koenig red ends in season
Kowalik green ends in off-season
Kress blue ends in .298 (color variation)
Kress red ends in .298 (color variation)
Kress Blue mentions age in line 2,ends in outfield
Lee blue ends in set-backs (color variation)
Lee red ends in set-backs (color variation)
Lee red ends in 14
Legett blue ends in hitter
Leonard red ends in 11
Leonard red ends in shut out (color variation)
Leonard green ends in shut-out (color variation)
Lindstrom green ends in 315 (color variation)
Lindstrom blue ends in 315 (color variation)
Linke green with pole ends in lost 2 (color variation)
Linke blue with pole ends in lost 2 (color variation)
Linke red no pole ends in losing 7
Lombardi red ends in 343
Lopez red ends in ends in club (color variation)
Lopez green ends in club (color variation)
Marcum blue ends in 11
McKechnie red ends in Pa
McNair blue Red Sox ends in size (color variation)
McNair red Red Sox ends in size (color variation)
McNair red Athletics ends in runs
Medwick blue ends in Series
Medwick red ends in .353 (color variation)
Medwick blue ends in .353 (color variation)
Melillo red ends in League
Michaels red ends in Conn
Joe Moore blue ends in pitch (color variation)
Joe Moore red ends in pitch (color variation)
John Moore blue ends in Conn
Moses blue ends in dash
Mulligan green ends in promise
Mungo blue ends in 10 (color variation)
Mungo green ends in 10 (color variation)
Mungo green (from 37) mentions '36 in second to last line (couldn't make out last part from scan)
Myatt red--ends in season (color variation)
Myatt blue ends in season (color variation)
O'Dea red ends in League
Orsatti green ends in Cal (color variation)
Orsatti red ends in Cal (color variation)
Ostermueller green ends in 35
Ott green ends in runs (color variation)
Ott red ends in runs (color variation)
Roy Parmalee green Giants ends in six
Le Roy Parmalee red Cardinals ends in Giants
Pearson green ends in campaign
Pepper red ends in season
Phelps blue ends in Ala (color variation)
Phelps green Ala (color variation)
Pipgras green ends in Fla
Pytlak blue ends in games
Rhodes green ends in amount
Root (throwing) green ends in 7
Rothrock green ends in season
Ruel blue ends in pitchers
Saltzgaver red ends in Jack
Schulte red ends in "in"
Selkirk green ends in doubles
Selkirk blue ends in line-up
Shea green ends in Cal
Spoher red bees ends in "resides in Philadelphia PA"
Spoher blue bees ends in "resides in Philadelphia PA"
Spoher blue braves ends in "home is in Philadelphia PA"
Stainback green ends in 34
Stengel blue ends in humor
Stephenson blue ends in N.C.
Stine green ends in Chicago
Stone red ends in .315
Stone blue ends in nevertheless
Suhr blue--same as green verion--last line includes only baseman (color variation)
Suhr green (same as blue version, but similar text to red) last line includes only baseman (color variation)
Suhr red (similar text to green) last line "player's first baseman"
Thevenow green ends in fracture (color variation)
Thevenow red ends in fracture (color variation)
Thomas blue ends in batsmen
Tietje green ends in 1934
Urbanski Blue Bees no mention of age on line 2, ends in 1910
Urbanski Red Braves mentions age 30 on line 2, ends in 1910
Walker red ends in 556
L.Waner green ends in series
P.Waner green ends in field (color variation)
P.Waner red ends in field (color variation)
(P.Waner ends in Fla is cubs U3-2)
Warneke green ends in lbs
Warneke blue ends in season
Warstler red ends in plays
Werber green ends in D.C.
Wilshire blue ends in N.Y.
Wilson blue ends in Cardinals
Winegarner green ends in 34