Is my t206 Mathewson one of the 3 rated higher?

[TVBC]

Saw this Heritage Auctions auction and noticed that Heritage said this:

"Christy Mathewson "Dark Cap" with a "Piedmont - 350 Subjects" ad and factory 25 caption. Beautiful portrait that is so very close to being perfectly centered. Graded PSA VG 3. After reviewing several hundreds of submissions, there are well under two hundred confirmed with this brand/series/factory combination. This is one of only three cards graded VG with three rated higher!"

Here is the link:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...umbnail-071515

I'll attach my copy and please let me know if my copy is one one of the higher grades.

https://postimg.cc/fVKHNhcF

https://postimg.cc/tYdk3Hmf

[tycobb]

What a beauty!!! Love the black cap version.


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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I don't know what pop report they are looking at:

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...hewson/2092790

[Rhotchkiss]

The piedmont 350 back distinction is total bullshit outside the elite 11, and Matty Dark cap is not one of the elite 11. Find one of the many Ted Z threads (miss you Ted) on this subject- there are 11 cards that exist but are rarely found with a piedmont 350 back. For every other subject, the 350 back is very common.

At some point PSA started distinguishing the piedmont 350 from all other piedmont backs, for all t206 subjects in that series. This was a major mistake bc it falsely elevated the non-importance of that back in all cases except 11. VCP exacerbated the issue by starting to list 350 sales apart from others (I emailed Bobby about this and I got an unnecessarily snarky response, but I believe he has since, correctly, changed it in VCP). Now, auction houses perpetuate the misconception of rarity.

A TON of t206s were graded before PSA even distinguished backs. Many tons more were graded before PSA listed 350 as a separate category of piedmonts. Thus, the PSA pop report on that is flat out, completely wrong. Your Matty Dark cap (very very nice example BTW) may indeed be one of the highest on PSA’s misleading pop report, but I will bet dollars to dimes that there are many t206 matty dark cap piedmont 350s graded higher than yours.

[RCMcKenzie]

They think the card is a "portrait" which only has a few higher grade listed under p350 only by psa. It's not a difficult card to find either way.

[Yoda]

I understood that the Matty dark cap was double printed along with Chance portrait yellow and Cobb red portrait. In short, there must be a number of 350's out there

[Kidnapped18]

PSA 7, PSA 6 and PSA 5
All three are Piedmont 350s

[Kidnapped18]

+1000
Ryan is absolutely correct!
PSA doesn't do a good job of correctly maintaining their database.
Especially when it comes to Piedmont, Piedmont 150 and Piedmont 350 backs

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

The piedmont 350 back distinction is total bullshit outside the elite 11, and Matty Dark cap is not one of the elite 11. Find one of the many Ted Z threads (miss you Ted) on this subject- there are 11 cards that exist but are rarely found with a piedmont 350 back. For every other subject, the 350 back is very common.

At some point PSA started distinguishing the piedmont 350 from all other piedmont backs, for all t206 subjects in that series. This was a major mistake bc it falsely elevated the non-importance of that back in all cases except 11. VCP exacerbated the issue by starting to list 350 sales apart from others (I emailed Bobby about this and I got an unnecessarily snarky response, but I believe he has since, correctly, changed it in VCP). Now, auction houses perpetuate the misconception of rarity.

A TON of t206s were graded before PSA even distinguished backs. Many tons more were graded before PSA listed 350 as a separate category of piedmonts. Thus, the PSA pop report on that is flat out, completely wrong. Your Matty Dark cap (very very nice example BTW) may indeed be one of the highest on PSA’s misleading pop report, but I will bet dollars to dimes that there are many t206 matty dark cap piedmont 350s graded higher than yours.

[Kidnapped18]

A Cycle SLer??!
What is frustrating is when you point out obvious mistakes to PSA they send you the automated response and rarely follow through with corrections
I don’t even bother anymore

[Kidnapped18]

PSA has Dolly Stark with 39 cards graded 3, however I have 44 verified certs for Stark in PSA 3
For some reason it seems PSA doesn't include the Piedmont only cards in the Pop Reports
Yes PSA has been told about this and nothing has been done
PSA 3 (39) 44 out of 39
Old Mill (17)/Piedmont (15)/T206 (7)
04603110 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
07237576 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
07256363 Stark Old Mill PSA 3
11129079 Stark T206 ()* PSA 3
11403078 Stark T206 ()* PSA 3
12499555 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
14147418 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
14455766 Stark Old Mill PSA 3
15655718 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
16829652 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
17930720 Stark Old Mill PSA 3
18404318 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
18735582 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
18959236 Stark Old Mill PSA 3
19434426 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
20328573 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
20995249 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
21157764 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
21342038 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
21853910 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
22107056 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
22374132 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
22381959 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
24174032 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
24233764 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
24300238 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
24319585 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
26397820 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
27014248 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
27573689 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
28469688 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
40640749 Stark Piedmont PSA 3
40730004 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
40832277 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
42048516 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
42786224 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
43150918 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
43585176 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
44023788 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
60061076 Stark T206 ()* PSA 3
73324833 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
87706878 Stark Piedmont 350 PSA 3
89539017 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3
93010823 Stark Old Mill (SL) PSA 3

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

While I don't disagree about the problems with PSA's pop report on T206's if you follow the link I posted above it shows that Heritage just completely missed the mark on their description somehow. While I used the auction results page because it's easier to find a single card than on the pop report, going to the pop report page it also completely contradicts the listing.

Piedmont 350 Matty Dark Cap:

PSA 8.5 - 1
PSA 8 - 2
PSA 7 - 3
PSA 6 - 7
PSA 5.5 - 1
PSA 5 - 15
PSA 5(Q) - 2
PSA 4.5 - 6
PSA 4 - 18
PSA 4(Q) - 3
PSA 3.5 - 2
PSA 3 - 23
PSA 3(Q) - 2

So I don't know what they were looking at. 23 threes and even if you throw out ALL qualified cards there are 55 graded higher, straight from the PSA pop report.

[Kidnapped18]

Great point Scott!
PSA own pop report doesn't justify the AH description

[Yoda]

So what do the AH's due to the 350 back gap? Why raise the BP of course.