Future pre-war card scam...

[vintagetoppsguy]

just waiting to happen...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-and-SGC-...9#ht_83wt_1172

[Tobacco&Gum]

Unreal!

[ullmandds]

crazy is right? he asked the TPG's to "buy them back?" What a lunatic!

[brianp-beme]

Shhhh! The seller is one of us

Brian

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Shhhh! The seller is one of us

Brian

That makes it even more disgusting!

[christopher.herman]

Not cool. PSA and SGC should contact ebay directly about this.

[rjackson44]

Holy smokes David thanks for posting.Now I've seen it all.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

just waiting to happen...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-and-SGC-...9#ht_83wt_1172

Wow! I cant believe ebay is actually allowing him to sell those.

I wrote him and thanked him in advance for all the potential scams and heartache that may be caused by him putting these back into the market. Will update if he writes back.

[insccollectibles]

Wow. Hopefully he will remove.

[auggiedoggy]

This item should be reported!!!

This person is a forum member?

[brianp-beme]

The seller's name is Jim Manos.

Brian

[ullmandds]

well...jim has always been a flipper?!

[oldcardboard]

Some people dont make enough money flippin burgers at McD's.

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Jim's '13 REA catalog must not have sold.

Let's give the guy a break here...

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

The seller's name is Jim Manos.

Brian

I am shocked. SHOCKED!

Or, not. Jim does his own thing - I don't think he cares much about the hobby and certainly not at all about insults lobbed his way, as long as he can sell stuff.

Bill

[midwaylandscaping]

Well, I suppose it's the sellers right to try and move these. Morally I'd destroy the slabs, let SGC/PSA know so they can update their serial # info. By allowing this type of listing eBay is planting the seeds for some fraud in the near future. Basically condoning outright, transparent fraud on the site. It's really all it can be called, for whatever buyer gets these is going to be putting cards back in those holders looking for quick $$$.

[JoeyF1981]

If the price isnt too high I think someone on here should buy them and destroy them or turn them in. Whoever the seller is he's obviously a douche

[yanks12025]

If you guys cared so much, why not just pay the $10 for them and destroy them.

[UOFLfan7]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

If you guys cared so much, why not just pay the $10 for them and destroy them.

Good idea, except it would be a waste of $10, and in today's economy...well you know haha.

Anyways, I don't agree with what the seller is doing, but I understand that he isn't breaking any laws. He/she is simply selling empty PSA and Beckett cases. What the buyer does with them has nothing to do with the seller. Its a shame that we have to even have a conversation about this, and what I mean by that is, its sad that forgery is so common nowadays and that there are so many people trying to deceive others.

There shouldn't be anything wrong with the seller is doing, but there is and that's because of how common forgers and conmen and conwomen are in this hobby. I wish things were different, but you always have to be cautious when collection baseball cards. That's one reason the hobby isn't what it used to be. I still love it, and I count myself as someone new to the hobby (Started collecting last year after I got a bunch of cards for my 17th birthday...not even a fan of baseball, but I love baseball cards haha), so I know how hard it is to get into collecting baseball cards. I made many mistakes last year, buying fakes and reprints. You know what they say though, learn from your mistakes, and that's what I did. Read up on baseball cards, joined this forum, and started a pretty good relationship with my local hobby shop owner.

As I said though, forgers are really killing this hobby and making it hard for people new to the hobby to get a good start and not feel helpless.

Just my two cents on this entire thing though, everybody has their own opinions of course..

[oldcardboard]

Originally Posted by UOFLfan7

Good idea, except it would be a waste of $10, and in today's economy...well you know haha.

Anyways, I don't agree with what the seller is doing, but I understand that he isn't breaking any laws. He/she is simply selling empty PSA and Beckett cases. What the buyer does with them has nothing to do with the seller. Its a shame that we have to even have a conversation about this, and what I mean by that is, its sad that forgery is so common nowadays and that there are so many people trying to deceive others.

There shouldn't be anything wrong with the seller is doing, but there is and that's because of how common forgers and conmen and conwomen are in this hobby. I wish things were different, but you always have to be cautious when collection baseball cards. That's one reason the hobby isn't what it used to be. I still love it, and I count myself as someone new to the hobby (Started collecting last year after I got a bunch of cards for my 17th birthday...not even a fan of baseball, but I love baseball cards haha), so I know how hard it is to get into collecting baseball cards. I made many mistakes last year, buying fakes and reprints. You know what they say though, learn from your mistakes, and that's what I did. Read up on baseball cards, joined this forum, and started a pretty good relationship with my local hobby shop owner.

As I said though, forgers are really killing this hobby and making it hard for people new to the hobby to get a good start and not feel helpless.

Just my two cents on this entire thing though, everybody has their own opinions of course..

Yes forgers are not helping and neither are the people selling kits to help make thier job easier. For what, a few extra bucks? If you need money that bad, find another hobby, like maybe work.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

If you guys cared so much, why not just pay the $10 for them and destroy them.

It is an auction, not a BIN. $10 is just the opening bid. I have a feeling they will sell for quite a bit more.

[oddball]

Ugh. Stuff like this makes me vomit in my mouth.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It is an auction, not a BIN. $10 is just the opening bid. I have a feeling they will sell for quite a bit more.

He had them listed before and no one bought them.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

If you guys cared so much, why not just pay the $10 for them and destroy them.

then the next guy will post them.... by buying them you will create a market for them.

kevin

[Fred]

Well, if there's one thing to consider. Anyone that knows Jim knows that he's never let a money making opportunity get by him. This is a bit disappointing...

[ramram]

Originally Posted by Fred

Well, if there's one thing to consider. Anyone that knows Jim knows that he's never let a money making opportunity get by him. This is a bit disappointing...

Nor will he likely see this thread. I don't think he has ever posted outside of the Buy/Sell section.

Rob M.

[JMANOS]

They could have cared less when I called. I thought they would have wanted them to have an accurate population report?? All I asked for was a free $12 dollar submission. I was treated very poor by the customer service folk at both company's. Maybe you people should question them? Lastly, I have a special needs person sell items for me and his spelling is weak to poor so I am sorry you have to read his description. Many of you know I do this with special needs folk.

You can bash me all u want but YOUR grading services should be smarter then that and take some responsibility. I don't collect cards I sell them, sorry.

[conor912]

It's got a bid.