PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[BeanTown]

Thanks for restating Cortney as I missed your earlier post as I was speed reading the thread. Glad to see both Cortney and Evan post on the board as we knew there were many other private collectors/investors who drop six figures or more into the card market each year.

Glad to hear Goldin didn't know about the clean up job as I would hope that any credible auction house would disclose all information about the item they were auctioning off.

It wouldn't surprise me whoever won the PWCC card will make it disappear. Looks like the PWCC consignor John gets his investment (flipper) money back plus a grand and that's the end of the 1936 WW Joe DiMaggio card.

After reading this thread and Brent's involvement and knowledge of this card (if true), he probably should say something on here and I'm sure he is hoping this card disappears and gets forgotten about.

[Whodunit]

Making the card disappear isnt necessary, or even warranted, imo. Getting it into the proper holder (A) seems more appropriate. Evan likes to say Id have bought the card regardless of whether it had been altered or not. What Evan failed to mention is I dont own ANY other holder than PSA and none other than graded cards. I dont buy altered, raw or anything in the neighborhood.....unless, im otherwise misled (lied to) and find out the hard way that it was manipulated and slipped past PSA. I fault PSA zero in this case.....I fault a thief and a liar 100%. There again, only Brent and I can dispute this claim. Where is he these days? Im not hearing a claim from the cats mouth.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Making the card disappear isnt necessary, or even warranted, imo. Getting it into the proper holder (A) seems more appropriate. Evan likes to say Id have bought the card regardless of whether it had been altered or not. What Evan failed to mention is I dont own ANY other holder than PSA and none other than graded cards. I dont buy altered, raw or anything in the neighborhood.....unless, im otherwise misled (lied to) and find out the hard way that it was manipulated and slipped past PSA. I fault PSA zero in this case.....I fault a thief and a liar 100%. There again, only Brent and I can dispute this claim. Where is he these days? Im not hearing a claim from the cats mouth.

Courtney, for the record, PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

Now it's been "disclosed" to you, and every vintage buyer reading this thread, when you buy/shill your next $100K card in a PSA Holder, it's possible that card has been chemically altered.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on the Auction House to give you that information. Most of them don't even disclose the bidders for dang sake.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

What are trying to do, start another 400 post thread?!

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Courtney, for the record, PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

Now it's been "disclosed" to you, and every vintage buyer reading this thread, when you buy/shill your next $100K card in a PSA Holder, it's possible that card has been chemically altered.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on the Auction House to give you that information. Most of them don't even disclose the bidders for dang sake.

Read ALL my posts, not simply the most recent one. Everything you just said has been discussed over the last 8 hrs.

And when accusing about shill bidding, have facts ready. I have all my facts. You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

I have all my facts. You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

You know what dude. You had me until this post.

Your comment shows what a dipsh*t douche you must be. Playing the "I spend more money than you so my credibility is higher, and my opinion is right." card. What a loser... comments like this by losers like you make my stomach turn.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

You know what dude. You had me until this post.

Your comment shows what a dipsh*t douche you must be. Playing the "I spend more money than you so my credibility is higher, and my opinion is right." card. What a loser... comments like this by losers like you make my stomach turn.

My Canadian friend I thought I'd share this:

"You can't be great if you're not rich, I'm sorry, but it's true"

-an unnamed American President

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

My Canadian friend I thought I'd share this:

"You can't be great if you're not rich, I'm sorry, but it's true"

-an unnamed American President

Sounds like something Obama would say ...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

^

This is exactly the way to alienate pretty much everyone.

I have nothing against collectors who can or will spend freely. A twinge of jealousy as you'd expect, but overall more of a "Hats off to you, both for making the sort of choices that led you to such prosperity and for having enough dedication to a hobby to create a really great collection" attitude.

Unless you use that to put down other collectors and project the attitude that you're better than them simply because you have money. Then you're just being a _ (fill in blank with whatever seems appropriate)

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Thanks for restating Cortney as I missed your earlier post as I was speed reading the thread. Glad to see both Cortney and Evan post on the board as we knew there were many other private collectors/investors who drop six figures or more into the card market each year.

Glad to hear Goldin didn't know about the clean up job as I would hope that any credible auction house would disclose all information about the item they were auctioning off.

It wouldn't surprise me whoever won the PWCC card will make it disappear. Looks like the PWCC consignor John gets his investment (flipper) money back plus a grand and that's the end of the 1936 WW Joe DiMaggio card.

After reading this thread and Brent's involvement and knowledge of this card (if true), he probably should say something on here and I'm sure he is hoping this card disappears and gets forgotten about.

What can he say, he isn't going to deny the facts, so his only choice is to go the Jake route and say it's a PSA 7 and that's all that matters, and/or that the hobby accepts this sort of restoration and therefore it's not material.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What can he say, he isn't going to deny the facts, so his only choice is to go the Jake route and say it's a PSA 7 and that's all that matters, and/or that the hobby accepts this sort of restoration and therefore it's not material.

If PSA allows this type of alteration/manipulation and grade anyway, Ill concede defeat. But, to my knowledge, that isnt the case. If I were buying a holder, Id do the same, but I buy cards. And I bought one hell of an altered 4. Lmao. And it wasnt even a PSA 4, it was SGC; and id rather own wrinkled, raw than SGC.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

If PSA allows this type of alteration/manipulation and grade anyway, Ill concede defeat. But, to my knowledge, that isnt the case. If I were buying a holder, Id do the same, but I buy cards. And I bought one hell of an altered 4. Lmao. And it wasnt even a PSA 4, it was SGC; and id rather own wrinkled, raw than SGC.

You had me till the last sentence. PSA might sell for more but SGC is a way better company. They are way more consistent in their product and are not constantly being accused of favoritism. The only thing you hear from the PSA sheeple is their slab sells for more because their product is garbage IMHO.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

And it wasnt even a PSA 4, it was SGC; and id rather own wrinkled, raw than SGC.

If you truly believe this ridiculous comment...then you are a moron!

[Whodunit]

Sorry for that comment. Slipped off the tongue. It's just my personal preferences. I admit and apologize for the negative sgc comment. I am 110% dedicated to the consistent value of PSA, but realize that sgc does have their niches and value as well. My apologies. My issues with SGC and BVG are due to their lack of q's. No excuse though for my bad behavior. :-(

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

If you truly believe this ridiculous comment...then you are a moron!

In keeping consistent with this thread, there's probably a fuc**ed up story behind that comment

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

If PSA allows this type of alteration/manipulation and grade anyway, Ill concede defeat. But, to my knowledge, that isnt the case. If I were buying a holder, Id do the same, but I buy cards. And I bought one hell of an altered 4. Lmao. And it wasnt even a PSA 4, it was SGC; and id rather own wrinkled, raw than SGC.

My guess is that whoever worked on it did a pretty good job and given the limited capabilities of a TPG (they are not crime labs), PSA did not detect anything. As Evan mentioned, lots of cards that get worked on end up in holders.

[Stonepony]

Lots of trash been thrown around...so who DID work on it?!?!

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Lots of trash been thrown around...so who DID work on it?!?!

Unless the card was worked on by the person who submitted it to psa what the difference?

I want to here more about Pwcc disciples and organized shilling ! That's the meat a potatos of this conversation. The rabbit goes deeper then one joe DiMaggio it appears. If this is true then more then a few people have been legitimately ripped off. Especially if the other auction houses know what is going on and psa is just slabbing what ever with a higher grade for bigger customers.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Unless the card was worked on by the person who submitted it to psa what the difference?

I want to here more about Pwcc disciples and organized shilling ! That's the meat a potatos of this conversation. The rabbit goes deeper then one joe DiMaggio it appears. If this is true then more then a few people have been legitimately ripped off. Especially if the other auction houses know what is going on and psa is just slabbing what ever with a higher grade for bigger customers.

Have you read the last 10 pages of this thread? Scroll back to the ones that started early this morning and work your way to the end. Your pwcc questions HAVE BEEN EXPOSED today.