Beware... Moser cards apparently in Mile High Auction

[ullmandds]

I just got home to find my mile high catalog in my mailbox I immediately sent them a message asking to be removed and told them why.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I just got home to find my mile high catalog in my mailbox I immediately sent them a message asking to be removed and told them why.

You sound like all those parents who after the swimsuit issue canceled their son's SI subscription.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You sound like all those parents who after the swimsuit issue canceled their son's SI subscription.

Seriously??? The swimsuit edition is the only reason to have a subscription to sports illustrated !!

[Dpeck100]

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

[70ToppsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

The sky is falling.

We’re surtounded by communist sympathizers

There are many people with varied interests in seeing this situation play out in different ways. There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Bottom line is that it’s going to take quite a while for all of this to be looked into and sorted out. Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion. The latter seems more like an attempt to induce panic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

The sky is falling.

We’re surtounded by communist sympathizers

There are many people with varied interests in seeing this situation play out in different ways. There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Bottom line is that it’s going to take quite a while for all of this to be looked into and sorted out. Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion. The latter seems more like an attempt to induce panic.

I have no interest other than that the truth about this blight on the hobby finally come to light whatever its extent is. And that there be consequences for those who have created it and enabled it, I should add. I am sure many feel the same way, whatever the consequences. I hope for the best and fear the worst. As for looking into it and sorting it out, the only ones who are going to do that are those of us motivated to do so. If you think TPGs or AHs are going to do it, I respectfully disagree, their interest is to minimize and contain.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion.

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Blowout reports many of the cards have been taken down, but the guy running the show says many more altered cards remain. Stay tuned I guess to see how it plays out. I am glad Brian is responding.

[maddux311]

At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.

[70ToppsFanatic]

Originally Posted by bounce

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

For the record, I am saying is that there is quite a bit of information not yet disclosed/uncovered/available and yet there are outrageous claims being made about 25-33% and “...practically the whole auction...” being bad slabs. That’s irresponsible and potentially something that could cause great harm to some innocent peoples’ livelihoods.

For the record, I am saying be diligent and do your homework if you’re a prospective purchaser. As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them.

[frankbmd]

Since when does PWCC have a monopoly on being good for the hobby?

Perhaps because their vault is bigger than the rest.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

Safe to say you have sarcasm face on right now?

Just in case you don’t, you don’t feel like this is a big deal? I did my early bidding today and saw a lot of the cards that are now being called out, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is 25% to a third of the auction that’s now “suspect”. There were already a few lots withdrawn as of mid-day today, I would imagine there are dozens more coming soon.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by bounce

Safe to say you have sarcasm face on right now?

Just in case you don’t, you don’t feel like this is a big deal? I did my early bidding today and saw a lot of the cards that are now being called out, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is 25% to a third of the auction that’s now “suspect”. There were already a few lots withdrawn as of mid-day today, I would imagine there are dozens more coming soon.

Yes of course I was joking.

In a thread last week on this forum we had some spirited back and forth and I was on the side that you would see cards surface in other auction houses just as easily.

No surprise here whatsoever.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Yes of course I was joking.

In a thread last week on this forum we had some spirited back and forth and I was on the side that you would see cards surface in other auction houses just as easily.

No surprise here whatsoever.

Like the old ad for Converse sneakers, they're everywhere.

[ruth-gehrig]

Never been real fond of auction houses that have unmarked reserve pieces as well as lots that they themselves have financial interests in. It's on page 1 under 2.d) in their current catalog if you want to take a look.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

There's evidence that Brent participated in the fraud. That's the best reason to avoid PWCC auctions.

The Mile High auction could be an attempt at a large inventory dump.