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Kershaw had a quality start in Game 2--he gave up 3 runs in six innings, all in the first two. That line was very similar to Strasberg's last night. Most of the time when he pitches like that the Dodgers win easily. Last night he should have been pulled after the Rendon homer, which by the way Rendon hit on a good down pitch. The Dodgers had Soto kryptonite in the bullpen-they should have used it.
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Mariano - best post season pitcher
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Kershaw shouldn't be the only scapegoat for the series loss. He had a bad 2 batter pitching line at a bad time. There were many subpar performances by Dodger position players. How about Seager and Bellinger? They sure didn't light it up. And, of course, let's not forget the epic futility of Pollack. Going 0-14 with 12 Ks must be a record. Or was it 0-13 with 11 Ks. This was a team loss. The Dodgers remind me of the 1990s Buffalo Bills. They were great in the regular season, but proved too "soft" to win the championship. I'm afraid the Dodgers may be a "soft" team. Since I'm a lifelong Dodger fan, seeing all this transpire hurts.
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Prior to 2018 my vote would be for David Price.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...riceda01.shtml |
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Kershaw has 9 playoff starts with at least 6 innings and 0 or 1 run.
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What's Kershaw's post season career ERA? 4.43.
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And Koufax’s was .95 and he pitched complete game shutouts in games 5 and 7 of the 1965 WS — on two days rest. I hope the comparisons between he and Kershaw are finished.
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I see it both ways, sometimes he was great, oftentimes bombed. But given two four run leads in a game that would have won them the WS, he coughed it up twice against the Astros. Hard to defend him at this point.
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BTW, you were wrong again anyway. Please look it up, you will see that Tanner gave the ball to Blyleven in game 5, trailing 1-0 and on the brink of elimination, BECAUSE his team's season was on the line. This from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette on 10/19/1979: "Blyleven pitched often in the World Series. He pitched six strong innings on Thursday, October 11, when the Pirates won the second game 3-2. Although he was scheduled to start the sixth game, Tanner used him in the fifth game, in which Blyleven pitched four strong innings to back up Jim Rooker's five good innings. 'We were in a situation where we couldn't go anywhere but home, Tanner said. So we used Blyleven'. When the World Series ended, Tanner called that game pitched by Rooker and Blyleven the turning point of the series. Blyleven volunteered to come back and pitch the sixth game with one day's rest. Tanner chose Candelaria instead, but Blyleven threw hard in the bullpen, hoping to get in". So let's recap. 1) Blyleven wants the ball, is effective in game 2 and leaves tied 2-2 against Jim Palmer; 2) Blyleven set to start game 6--not relegated to the bullpen by an unhappy manager; 3) Manager calls on Blyleven in elimination game 5 because the season was on the line and there would be no game 6 unless his team rallied; 4) Blyleven throws four scoreless, Bucs rally and win; 4) Manager called the game pitched by Rooker and Blyleven the turning point of the Series: 5) Blyleven asked to pitch again on one day's rest, and is called to warm up in game 6. Got any more horseshit you'd like to peddle about the manager having no confidence in Blyleven? So Tanner ended up not liking him? Well, Bert went on to win another 130+ games elsewhere, and would win three post-season games including a World Series game. Tanner never won more than 84 games in a season thereafter and the Pirates have not played in the World Series since Blyleven left.
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Tanner was visibly upset in 1980 when Blyleven left the team and went home to California after complaining about his lack of use. The Bucs manager stopped, asking, 'Did I say Cryleven? 'I never talk about a player, but I don't appreciate the lie he told,' Tanner said. 'He didn't like the way I managed. Well, I don't manage my team for one man; I manage the man for the good of the team. 'I don't think Bert fits the team concept,' said Tanner. 'He told me last season he's interested in, oh, I don't remember the exact order ... starts, complete games, shutouts, strikeouts, earned run average. If Blyleven was such a good pitcher why was he traded for Gary Alexander, Victor Cruz, Bob Owchinko and Rafael Vasquez? |
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I believe the Dodgers are 15-17 in post season games that Kershaw has appeared in.
He is 10-11 in games he got the decision. So, to get more specific with my original question : Has any other probable HOF quality STARTING pitcher ever appeared in 30 or more post season games, and had a losing record in his own decisions, and his team had a losing record in his appearances? I'm not "blaming" Kershaw, there is plenty of blame to pass around, I'm just curious. Doug "The Dodgers won't win a ring in the Kershaw era" Goodman PS - Roberts isn't a manager in the traditional sense, the Dodgers organization makes many on field calls from upstairs. Last edited by doug.goodman; 10-10-2019 at 03:49 PM. |
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You just don't give up--you have no point to make, so you make one up that has no application to the topic at hand. Then you backpeddle and say you meant something else. Then it's shown you are flat wrong about that too. So now you're off saying Blyleven wasn't a good pitcher because his below .500 career manager who never went to the post-season and barely won again after Bert left didn't like him and the franchise that hasn't been in the World Series for 39 years since didn't get much in trade. "If he was such a good pitcher then....?" Well, if he was such a shitty pitcher, why is he in the HOF? And again, what the hell does this have to do with regular vs. post-season pitching performance? Where did Blyleven fail there, when did a manager show a lack of confidence in his ability to win in the clutch and what is your point?
Keep on swinging and missing. You should probably just skip ahead and blurt as others do when they have no point to make and their arguments are shredded... but, but, but, Benghazi.
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As far as Bert Blyleven is concerned, he appeared in 8 post season games, so shouldn't factor into this conversation at all, but if we are going to include him, he had 5 wins and 1 loss so again doesn't seem to factor into this conversation.
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Greg Maddux
30 postseason starts, 35 appearances Team 13-17 in those starts, 16-19 in those appearances. Maddux’s own postseason record 11-14
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Thank you Michael.
And I see that Glavin was 14-16 in decisions. Makes sense since the Dodgers are the new Braves... |
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Well the thing about Maddux is that he pitched 198 innings in the postseason and had a 3.27 ERA. There were several series in the post season where he lost one or two but had a good ERA...there were also a few which he didn't. The one thing though is that not once in Maddux's career did I yell at the TV and wonder out loud why they were putting him in. Can't say that about Kershaw. LOL
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