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You mean change their definition of what they consider unacceptable alterations? I suppose, but it's hard to believe they will given 25+ years of operating under the same definition.
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Rules do change. There may be small print to read that may say that as well, who knows. When its about subjectivity there is always much more leeway...
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I sent mine back
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Possibly, depends on how the lawyering goes... if it is proven that PWCC does guarantee a profit, then the decision becomes what is reasonable???
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Still People hate on PWCC I’m not saying they’re saints, not by any stretch! What I’m saying is if PSA was doing their job correctly and honestly we wouldn’t have these numerous issues. PSA is a Central Figure Of Most of the Problems In fact they’re the Major Facilitator of 99% of all Altered Slabbed Cards. I hope some serious lawyering turns the tables and throws this back on their asses bigly. Last edited by Johnny630; 12-01-2019 at 08:15 AM. |
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Correct, tens of thousands of trimmed modern sitting in BGS slabs including some of the hobby’s highest profile cards.
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My point is throw it back on all the TPG’s whom have outed altered cards slabbed with grades In their holders... PSA Beckett and SGC.
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2020 PSA Service Pricing and Submission Update
Hello Hobby Enthusiasts, On behalf of the staff at PSA, thank you for your incredible support during 2019. The hobby continues to grow as more and more people either discover the joy of collecting for the first time or return to the hobby of their youth. As you likely know, PSA has been busy. Thanks to your support, we eclipsed four milestones this calendar year. The first three were surpassing the 33 million, 34 million and 35 million collectibles certified thresholds. The fourth was authenticating and grading the 1,000,000th Pokémon card in our history. All the while, we have been working diligently to expand our capacity to better service the demand for PSA services. As our milestone achievements indicate, we have had good success in this effort. That said, we are still building upon our foundation to expand even further. Looking ahead to 2020, PSA has left its core service levels and pricing largely unchanged. We have added two new service levels and adjusted some declared value parameters. Visit this webpage to review the changes. These changes will go into effect on January 1. We have come a long way in 2019, backed by an effort to listen to your feedback and improve your submission experience with PSA. Here is a quick overview of some these improvements: • Turnaround Time Updates – updated each Monday using actual order processing data from the week prior, collectors can access current estimated lead times. • New Order Tracking Bar – our new order tracker provides you with detailed, step-by-step updates for your submission as it moves through the PSA system. • Online Label Correction Service – using our website, customers now can initiate a label correction before the collectible leaves our facility. • Set Registry Achievement Program – earn virtual rewards and receive encouragement as you collect and compete on the PSA Set Registry. PSA also expanded its Customer Service and Sales Account Management teams and added resources to service our East Coast and Japanese collecting bases. Looking ahead to 2020, expect more improvements to our customer service, turnaround times and holder security. At PSA, our goal is to lead the hobby through accurate, impartial third-party grading and free, educational collecting content. I hope we have been able to deliver these benefits to your own personal collection this year. Enjoy Collecting (in 2019, 2020 and beyond), Steve Sloan President, PSA
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Teflon !!!
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Maybe. But considering this just broke and June and typical turn times are 100 days, it shouldn’t be surprising that things are BAU. Why wouldn’t they be?
We tend to think of companies like PSA as being big, because they are big in our hobby. Which is actually small. All that said, John Kapon / Acker Merril sold 100s of millions in fake wine and are still leaders in their space so who knows. Wine collectors are as dense and as immature as card collectors, so maybe nothing does come of this. |
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Deny, minimize, contain, reassure, deflect.
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Absolutely +1
PSA All They Do is Win Win Win No Matter What ! |
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Always kinda looked like Hal Chase to me...
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Let's Say Every PSA Cert Number was an actual person in this Class Action Law suit! And the List kept getting bigger and Bigger And BIGGER! And then the PSA Bubble got Busted! Well, it took like 7-10 years fir the GAI Slab to become obsolete, jus a quick thought!? "How Long do ya think it'll take fir the PSA Slab to become extinct?"
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My over/under is 8 years. But wish that number was lower.
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I will take the over. This hobby is way too shady to let a few whiners on a couple forums bring down the cash cow. Anybody in for a group submission?
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Over as well. I cannot see the hobby returning to a raw card model, not with the millions upon millions invested already in registry sets and other slabbed cards. And there is no meaningful competition now or on the horizon. I think PSA weathers the storm.
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Over Agree with Peter for all the above reason I posted before.
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Lots of cardboard missing on that one. I guess it’s not the first time Little Joe was deemed short.
What if we put a 1 in front of the 8? Would anyone here bet the under at 18? Last edited by perezfan; 12-01-2019 at 10:55 PM. |
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Is there a full list sorted by cert #?
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however i am not sure how we can be discussing the closure of million dollar businesses when not even a single lawsuit has been filed. (please correct me if i am wrong as i have not checked court dockets across the country, i just assume someone would of mentioned one on this or the other forums i look at)\ Yes I know Mastro this and that so it could happen without much but this involves so many more layers and time and cards changing hands and issues for bigger disputes etc....my opinion.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 12-02-2019 at 02:18 PM. |
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I’d support a TPG that could simply deem a card as being unaltered, provided they could do it effectively. I know others would as well. Maybe there’s a niche for those who don’t give a hoot about the Registry, or paying 1000 times more for a card because it “appears” to be mint. I just have a hunch that something different will come along as the “mistakes” continue to be revealed. And if the FBI does intervene, it will only serve to accelerate the process. Last edited by perezfan; 12-02-2019 at 03:30 PM. |
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PWWC can't absorb all of these possible returns, can they?
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Maybe Johnny will pitch in to try to save himself with the government.
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Just imagine if there was a way to notify all of these "winning" bidders that they paid an enormous premium for a fake PSA card?
What's been revealed to date likely represents under 2% of all the slabbed/numbered/altered cards in circulation. But what if that measly 2% were made aware of how badly they were duped? And what if that 2% all submitted for refunds? It would create enough liability to bankrupt the entire Mount Rushmore of "Bad Actors"... Johnny, Gary, Brent and Joe O. If eBay never made their misguided decision to block identities, the sh*t would've already hit the fan. |
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Been following this for a long time
very interesting...how many " duped" big time collectors ...who got ripped off to the tune of -?..$500-$2000 ....what have they done about it ? Im guessing a lot of anger...maybe embarrassment ( imagine telling a loved one or friend what happened ? ) people you know who have often said to you over the years - " Dude, you crazy spending that kind of money on baseball cards ".... Do you tell them ? Do you call PSA ( yea right ! ) and demand a full refund Do you break the card out of the slab ( to prevent this from ever happening again ? ) ..and then stare at the $1500 mistake you made ? Do you pretend the card is still legit....even though the proof is there ? |
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There have also been instances where PWCC has notified winning bidders.
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Ebay was certainly a better place where you could track what the known card doctors were buying, and you could see who was bidding stuff up.
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… and you could effortlessly message both the Buyers and Sellers. I used to reach out to winning bidders to congratulate them, and sometimes offer them an instant profit if I fell asleep at the wheel. It was a very useful feature. Just imagine if eBay re-enabled that function. Thousands of fraud victims could easily be made right in no time.
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plus others have already talked about PWCC reaching out to them. this is a web baseball card discussion forum.....it wouldnt be unheard of for some people to share some things.. |
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Jake what are your thoughts on this, Do think PWCC will attempt to recover damages via a large monetary civil lawsuit against PSA for all the bad cards they're buying back?
I can't see them just eating the cost of all these buy backs. All hypothetical... Prove we knew these cards were altered, we just crack and resubmit cards we believe to be under graded, we have no ties to such and such submitter's......we all have ideas on whom from the blowout discoveries. Just wondering your thoughts? Last edited by Johnny630; 12-04-2019 at 07:57 AM. |
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Do you seriously believe PWCC is in any position to sue PSA? Is this an early April Fools joke or do you really not understand what is going on here? PSA can break into the PWCC Vault and get caught on video and PWCC couldn’t/wouldn’t sue them.
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Have any Net 54 members identified themselves on the site,as having been ripped off by all this trimming/cleaning underhanded stuff ?
I guess it could be awkward/embarrassing ...but curious - have they stopped collecting ?..stopped buying from PSA ? ...stopped buying slabbed cards ? |
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Fats gets a little thinner.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=189
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