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Huh? Knowing a value has nothing to do with knowing who submitted it.
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All things equal I would want more experienced graders looking at higher end cards, no?
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maybe?????? more experienced graders would be more likely to detect alterations, no? Whereas an inexperienced grader may not...so as someone sending my card in...maybe I want the inexperienced one?
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As I like to say, every single public company sued for fraudulent financial statements had an auditor sign off on them.
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Most graded between a 5 and 7. I'm sure there were some nicer, but not many. I also got a few in what Looked to be a small original collection of T cards that literally came in a small paper bag. Same top end on those. |
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You know I've called it a billion dollar fraud for many years now. It's way over a bil. |
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exactly, The TPG's want to charge an arm and a leg, but they don't WANT to investigate for even 4 hours. I'd like to make 4K in 10 minutes...If fact, sometimes I do,
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Just curious. How much does PSA or SGC charge to grade a card with a perceived values of $100, $1K, $10K and $100K?
I think everyone knows where I'm going with this. If the TPGs charge based on the card value ($$), then they're better off assigning higher grades. What if someone submits a card and indicates the value to be $10K but in reality, if the card is graded with a high grade and it's worth $50K. How does the TPG let the submitter know the valuation assigned by the submitter is too low? Or on the flip side, what if the submitter assigns a value of $50K to a card (they assume a high grade) and the grade is more indicative of a $10K card, then how does the TPG provide a refund in the submitter's fee that was paid for a higher valuation of the card? This is all pretzel logic to me.
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If your item turns out to be worth more than the maximum, then they upcharge you for the higher level of service that aligns with your actual value. You'll get an email, and they'll make you pay before they release your items. My experience is that they only do this in cases where the item clearly exceeds the value maximum. If your item turns out to be worth less than you expected, then you just have the pleasure of having guessed high, and you pay for a higher service level than you really needed.
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I believe PSA has graded the SGC 8.5 recently as a recent Instagram post they had has a card graded a 7 with the same exact stain or spot on the left bottom side of the card. Certification number for the newly graded card is 70609922
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So much for the trimming.
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I have no idea if it is the same card. What I do know is that once in a PSA slab it is golden. We have even had threads about it before with a poll and the polls showed all that mattered was the PSA slab.
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Pete from SGC said they are looking into it. Let's see what happens.
https://www.sportscardradio.com/trim...e-dimaggio-51/ |
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Hard to get through that circle of wagons, isn't it?
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I'll be shocked if it end up as anything more than another example of the unholy alliance among card doctors, TPGs, and auction houses.
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This.
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Bumping this once so it can get a little more airplay before, like all the other criminality in the hobby, it fades quickly into the past. Congratulations to the elite card doctor who trimmed it, whoever graded it (twice now it seems), and whoever is covering up for the perpetrator.. It's all good.
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The worst part is that it isn't even elite doctoring. Even I have a hard time blaming PSA for some of the micro trimming passing through on modern - such a tiny, tiny sliver is so carefully cut and the edges are so fresh that almost no one can tell without deep dives into a cards prior scans. But we see time and time again you can just lop off giant chunks of old cards and eventually PSA will pass it.
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It's terrible that there are zero consequences to this. Trimming has become so prevalent within the hobby. It's important for us to remain vigilant when it comes to purchasing, especially high graded vintage cards. I don't run into this too often, as most of the things I purchase are lower in grade, but it has an effect on the market. The higher the grade, the higher the prices, and thus the same card in worse condition ends up going up in price. But as long as the companies keep slabbing, and ebay/auction houses, allow it to happen, nothing will be done.
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Of course that’s not the case. It would be foolish to treat them equally and it’s foolish to expect them to receive absolute equal treatment. It’s like the old Parcells saying that all players will be treated fairly doesn’t mean they’ll be treated equally. Same thing but with cards. Some are more important than others.
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Once a card gets into a PSA, SGC, BVG, etc. holder, most don't give a damn. That's a well-known fact.
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Indeed. The cleansing effect of the flip and slab. So ironic given the original impetus behind TPG.
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56. Poppy Love
Ignoring what a card looks like and buying it only for the number on the slab.
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It hasn’t been deemed necessary or unnecessary, eventually action will or will not be taken. Hurry up and forget!
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^^this^^ plus didn't someone say it is now in a PSA slab so why would SGC care?
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If I were more cynical I would think this response from SGC was disingenuous from the get go and they knew exactly where this card came from.
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Exactly. Moving on, nothing to see here folks.
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From what I understand Bill Mastro cut that card from an oversized football shape to the size of a normal T206 card, it measures correctly and might even be slightly larger than a normal T206 card, personally I would describe it as hand cut/sheet cut rather than trimmed.
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Even back in 2013 it reasons that it would have to have been someone who knew they could do it and not end up with a card in an Authentic slab.
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