FS: Two signed 1920s Yankee baseballs SOLD!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I came on this forum to let all know that the centerpiece of my collection was a forgery. In doing so I all but guaranteed that the $16,000 hit would be taken by me. I made sure that anybody interested in a '27 Yankees ball would never be stuck with that one.

I think I've shown my honesty. I don't need shit from assholes like you and your little friend, Richard.

I hope you guys quit the arguing and you need to be careful with the cursing on the board but I don't see anything to ban anyone for.

[Big Dave]

David,

I commend you, as did everyone else at the time, for exposing the 1927 ball in your collection as a forgery. Regardless of what one says, I seriously think very few people would have done what you did, and publicly out that ball, especially with the PSA/DNA certification. Most would have passed it on, regardless of what they may have stated on here publicly. I also think it is low to use your honesty in that matter, to attack you. Regardless of what others may state, this hobby of autograph collecting has become a dismal, unenjoyable, cesspool, of thieves, liars, politics, back stabbing, garbage. Even when someone does something right, a lot of people find something negative to say.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

David,

I commend you, as did everyone else at the time, for exposing the 1927 ball in your collection as a forgery. Regardless of what one says, I seriously think very few people would have done what you did, and publicly out that ball, especially with the PSA/DNA certification. Most would have passed it on, regardless of what they may have stated on here publicly. I also think it is low to use your honesty in that matter, to attack you. Regardless of what others may state, this hobby of autograph collecting has become a dismal, unenjoyable, cesspool, of thieves, liars, politics, back stabbing, garbage. Even when someone does something right, a lot of people find something negative to say.

Dave, Mr. Atkatz knows the truth about that ball. Back in August 2011 I was suspicious of David's avatar (photo of the '27 ball). I then asked Mr. Atkatz if he wouldn't mind sending me photos of the ball, which he did.

The moment I received the photos I believed it was not authentic and that I had a feeling who did the signatures as I recognized the work.

It wasn't until we began being testy (during the Prisco incident) with each other that I was throwing Mr. Atkatz hints that his ball was no good. From what I recall, Mr. Atkatz went to a former authenticator and he confirmed to Mr. Atkatz that his "1927" ball was not authentic.

The fact is, it was me who first informed Mr. Atkatz about his '27 Yankees ball. This is not bragging, this is fact.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The fact is, it was me who first informed Mr. Atkatz about his '27 Yankees ball. This is not bragging, this is fact.

What a crock! (Just like Romney is now "taking a lot of credit (his words) for the auto industry recovery.)

[RichardSimon]

I guess you asked the authenticator you respect the most about the ball, just for the heck of it.
Nobody here questioned the ball,,, right?
I remember bringing up the ball (before your admission) and was insulted for my comment.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I guess you asked the authenticator you respect the most about the ball, just for the heck of it.
Nobody here questioned the ball,,, right?

Are you and your little lap-dog joined at the hip? Or is it just that he has his nose so far up your butt you think he's part of you?

You, Richard--not Chris--were the one who "alerted" me. (In your nasty, snide, smarmy way.) Not coming right out and saying it, of course, but just using your sarcastic little bits of innuendo. Something you can always be proud of.

And yes, Jodi is the expert (I wouldn't call him an authenticator; I've never seen him selling CoAs) I respect the most. He, unlike you, has never been bounced out of a court of law, as the judge ruled that you don't posses "sufficient skill, knowledge or experience in the fields in which [you] were asked to render opinions."

I wonder. Did you refund your "expert witness" fee?

[David Atkatz]

Again unlike you, Richard, I have absolutely nothing to hide. So let's try to clear some of the smoke you've been blowing up everyone's asses.

In 2005 I purchased--for my own collection--a Ruth/Gehrig ball. It came with a full PSA/DNA certificate.
In order to raise cash to pay for the '27 ball, I decided to sell it, and listed it on eBay. I posted large, high-res close-up photos of all sides (as I always do), and, not being a complete idiot, I mentioned it was PSA authenticated, and posted a large photo of the letter.
I received a few offers. One, in particular, was from a would-be buyer in Southern California. I told him his offer was a bit low. He replied, asking me if I had a number in mind, but before I could answer, the auction was pulled. I then replied, and told him what had happened. He was still interested, asked for a scan of the cert, and sent it to PSA. Evidently, he was OK with what they told him, because he purchased the ball. Before doing so, though, he said he was going to bring the ball and CoA to PSA, and if they determined the cert was bogus could he return the ball to me. I assured him he could.

So, yes, I sold the ball after eBay pulled the auction. I answered Jon's question by marking both postings "SOLD."

If anyone feels I did anything dishonest, please get in touch, or feel free to post here. I really would like to know.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Are you and your little lap-dog joined at the hip? Or is it just that he has his nose so far up your butt you think he's part of you?

You, Richard--not Chris--were the one who "alerted" me. (In your nasty, snide, smarmy way.) Not coming right out and saying it, of course, but just using your sarcastic little bits of innuendo. Something you can always be proud of.

And yes, Jodi is the expert (I wouldn't call him an authenticator; I've never seen him selling CoAs) I respect the most. He, unlike you, has never been bounced out of a court of law, as the judge ruled that you don't posses "sufficient skill, knowledge or experience in the fields in which [you] were asked to render opinions."

I wonder. Did you refund your "expert witness" fee?

So vulgar David, what a bitter little man you are. Can't you at least stop the vulgarity.
The judge ruled that in the state of Indiana the testimony of a non scientifically trained person could not be admitted as testimony. The defense lawyer should have known this but he did not. Based on Indiana law all the FDE's that we complain about here would have their testimony admitted in court. Strange, I know, but that is the law in that state.
My testimony was accepted in a NY State court, in Nassau County, which does not have the same law as in Indiana.
I guess it does not compare to a survey of students who deemed you to be among the worst professors in the college you were teaching in, but it is something to be considered.
And Jody worked for an authentication company he did not sell his own COA's. They regarded him as an authenticator. And I don't know if he was ever asked to testify in a court case, so we cannot say his testimony was bounced.
And Jodi, sorry to bring you into this again, but maybe you should have asked David not to mention you again, like you asked me. I did try to oblige you but I had to answer the query.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

David,

I commend you, as did everyone else at the time, for exposing the 1927 ball in your collection as a forgery. Regardless of what one says, I seriously think very few people would have done what you did, and publicly out that ball, especially with the PSA/DNA certification. Most would have passed it on, regardless of what they may have stated on here publicly. I also think it is low to use your honesty in that matter, to attack you. Regardless of what others may state, this hobby of autograph collecting has become a dismal, unenjoyable, cesspool, of thieves, liars, politics, back stabbing, garbage. Even when someone does something right, a lot of people find something negative to say.

Dave-
Where did anyone say something negative about David exposing the 1927 ball?
I cannot find such a post but correct me if I am wrong.
The focus of this thread is that David says he sold a ball that ebay removed despite the ball having a COA from PSA.
Usually when that happens on ebay there is a serious reason. A very serious reason. PSA certs are almost never removed by ebay. Like I said a very serious reason.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by canjond

David- Did the Ruth/Gehrig sell?

Thx.

That was the original question by Mr. Canfield.

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The question about the ball was asked on the board by Jon Canfield. You never answered on the board so we don't know of anyone who asked you about that ball privately. No balls to answer Jon Canfield on the board Mr Atkatz?? Wonder why?

He changed the title to "FS: Two signed 1920s Yankee baseballs SOLD!" meaning, yes, they sold.. In Public, he told us all.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mschwade

That was the original question by Mr. Canfield.



He changed the title to "FS: Two signed 1920s Yankee baseballs SOLD!" meaning, yes, they sold.. In Public, he told us all.

Jon Canfield asked the question after ebay removed the ball.
You can click the link in David's first post and see that the ebay sale was removed by ebay.
I guess Jon clicked that link.
David then added the word SOLD to his post, AFTER the question was asked.
Jon seemingly had the same problem I did with the word SOLD.
Jon, please correct me if I am wrong about that.
ebay removes the ball and all of a sudden it is SOLD?
Ok,let us say it was sold.
He sold one that was removed by ebay.
Better to say SOLD then to say it was removed.
Better to say SOLD then to say removed by ebay and then I sold it.
Saying it was removed by ebay is conceding that the autographs were questionable.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Jon seemingly had the same problem I did with the word SOLD.

How do we know that Jon meant that? Did he "privately" tell you that? He could have been an interested customer wondering if the ball was still available. In your words, did Jon not have the balls to come out and publicly ask David if he sold a ball "that was removed by ebay."

The original question was asked, David changed the title to something that answered the question. I am tired of the agendas.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mschwade

How do we know that Jon meant that? Did he "privately" tell you that? He could have been an interested customer wondering if the ball was still available. In your words, did Jon not have the balls to come out and publicly ask David if he sold a ball "that was removed by ebay."

The original question was asked, David changed the title to something that answered the question. I am tired of the agendas.

I don't know what John meant, that is why I am asking him.
Maybe Jon wanted to not embarrass David about it and not bring up removed by ebay
And I will say that perhaps I should have started my first post by asking David "David, you sold a ball after ebay removed it?"

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

I hope you guys quit the arguing and you need to be careful with the cursing on the board but I don't see anything to ban anyone for.

Leon - please bear in mind who is cursing and who has turned this conversation vulgar and who is trying to handle this like a normal disagreement. Who is making this personal and making disparaging remarks?