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Yes it's the same card, but it looks like 2 different winners. What am I missing?? Is it possible 1***a won it in October then Member Id: l***x (1761) won it in November? |
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Larry,
1***a bid high on it the second time around but bid was cancelled. Scroll all the way to the bottom of the bid history. Don't know who he is but I feel comfortable labeling him a slim ball!
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I agree that exposing these shills over and over is helpful to the people who might not have read the past exposes. At least no one on N54 who reads one of these threads can get ripped off by Probstein or PWCC but claim that they did not know. It may be dull to hear what is effectively the same story again, but the solution is not to read it. The titles are clear enough.
As for eBay, don't hold your breath: its management actively encourages shilling. Used to be a piece of cake to figure out who was shilling; just cross-reference the shilling account with the seller's account. That is how Broadway Rick got nailed: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3078735/ eBay tackled the challenge posed by shill bidders by hiding the identities of the underbidders. It greatly reduced the number of complaints about shilling not because the activity ceased but because no one could prove it any longer.
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In a defense of eBay, I'm sure one reason they block bidder ids was to prevent off eBay sales. I think trying to prevent this was legitimate on their part, as many buyers and sellers abused the system that way.
Having said that, one essential eBay newbie tip I used to give was never to bid in an auction that hid bidder ids, as the practice was mostly used to prevent nefarious activity including shilling and to prevent others from tipping off bidders that an item was a fake or a scam. Then eBay turned and made all bidder ids private. If it were up to me, bidder ids would be shown, but, as is often the case, eBay users who tried to game the system (breaking the user agreement by using eBay as a cheap advertising for off site sales) are part of the reason eBay hides the ids. In short, every one's going to Hell. Oh sorry, Leon, I meant to say Heck. Last edited by drcy; 11-20-2013 at 02:58 PM. |
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I have and will continue to bid and buy from Probstein .
Never had a single problem or issue He gets his hands on loads of good stuff prices are prices...bidding get carried away sometimes...if you dont like it then dont bid Why must cry babys keep bringing up the same old sour grapes You dont think the big auction houses " protect" their rare items in one way or another ?..good ole boys secretly bidding on their own stuff ? The guys sells tons of stuff... he must be doing something right Ralph G |
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I wonder if eBay had never shown bidders identities in the first place (email addresses in the early days, followed by user IDs), would people object now to not being able to see them? The reason I wonder is because I don't know of a single auction house in our hobby that shows bidder ids of any kind in its online auctions. Yet that doesn't seem to be an issue for most people, but the inability to see identities on eBay is.
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When my Mom would catch me with my hand in the cookie jar, I always argued that after she punished my sister, I was more than willing to submit to a similar punishment. Funny, I got my ass beat anyway. Perhaps I should have used the argument that my Sister was fat and happy from all the stolen cookie calories, so she must be doing something right.
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1. He gets his hands on loads of stuff.- Well good for him. But it has nothing to do with what is being talked about. 2. Prices are prices- Most idiotic statement, in the context of this thread, that I have seen in a while. The problem is, prices we see aren't real prices, they are shilled. So, no, prices aren't prices. 3. Cry babys (sic) keep bringing up sour grapes. Yes, and each time a bank robber robs a bank, darn it, it makes the news again. 4. Big auctions protecting their rare items? Of course, it's called a reserve or a higher opening bid. Just like a consignor could tell Rick if he wanted to. That would be the moral and legal way to do it. And yes, there are a few hobbyists in a lot of hot water for doing it the wrong way. 5. The guy sells a ton of stuff, he must be doing something right. I think Rick is probably a very hard worker and is smart. A little more due diligence, when issues are brought to his attention, is all some of us are asking ie...ban bidders with a gazillion retractions and other issues. And maybe part of the reason he gets stuff is that the consignors know they can protect their consignments by shilling. And I just want to make sure you are serious in believing what you wrote? It's hard for me to imagine anyone could really believe what you wrote. It's freaking crazy. .
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Just the good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm Beats all you never saw Been in trouble with the law Since they took it online Screwin' with bids Paddin' the sales Someday the bidders Might get 'em But the law never will Makin' their way The only way they know how That's just a little bit more Than the law should allow Just the good ol' boys Wouldn't change if they could Fixin' the system Like a true Internet Auction Hood
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Fraud is illegal regardless of whether it gets you a good price on what you want. Using your logic you would be ok with it if a car you were buying came to you at a good price because it was stolen from someone else as long as the price was a steal. You most likely think we have an honest government running as well since they got elected, they must be doing something right. Keep being blind, it will bite you pretty hard one day. It was reading posts like yours a few months ago that got me screwed over dealing with him. Last edited by Acollector; 11-20-2013 at 11:07 PM. |
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Thanks Richard
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