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Maybe, Like many other things, it came from conjecture not fact. When I started quoting Burdick all I got in response was some old hobbyists said "this and that." I say if we are going to have a good debate we should base it on facts not what someone might have said a long time ago.
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I have no horse in this race, but it does make me wonder: how would T213-1s being reclassified as T206s change how you collect, if it happened?
For me, it wouldn't change my T206 goal (Red Sox team set with all different backs), as none of the Sox players appeared in the T213-1s, but rather later Coupons. |
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Are the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards really T206's ? ....I think so. ....What say you ?
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Does your last comment also apply to Jefferson Burdick ? As, I am sure you know, when he became aware (circa 1940's) that there were several white-bordered sets of tobacco cards issued in the Louisiana area (T213, T214, T215), he originally considered the "T213-1" set as an extension of the T206 set. I could give you a lengthy dissertation on all the factors with these Major League (48) subjects and their relevance to the other T206 brands, that results in a narrow timeline. And, this research convinces me that the 1910 COUPON cards were indeed printed (and issued) in 1910. And to a less complicated degree, the Southern Association (20) subjects fit into this narrow timeline. However, I will spare you all the nitty-gritty details. 1910 COUPON ("T213-1") Major League (48) subjects Southern Association (20) subjects In my opinion....these cards (and the red Ty Cobb card with the TY COBB back) were advertising premiums, rather than insert cards (into tobacco products). The bottom line is....you say nay and I say yea....to the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards as just another T-brand in the T206 set. And that is fine with me. For I will just keep on rolling along including 1910 COUPON cards in my T206 runs of my favorite subjects. Happy New Year to you, Leon. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hey Ted
I will try to do some more research for our next slugfest. Until then I hope this year is better than your last!! Happy collecting.
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In the meantime I have a question for you. There isn't a single minor league player in the T213-1 set does any other back with 350 only subjects exclude all of the minor league players? Also you say the super prints were supposed to be 350 only but ALC changed their mind on them which I disagree with but either way the fact is they're not a 350 only subject. Last edited by Pat R; 01-02-2019 at 09:18 PM. |
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Are the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards really T206's ? ....I think so. ....What say you ?
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Pat 1st..the 48 card arrangement of the Major Leaguers in the "T213-1" set were printed during an American Litho's early press run of the 350-only series T206's. The timeline of this printing is in the Spring of 1910. This timeline is reinforced by the fact that 40 of these subjects were NOT printed with POLAR BEAR backs. The initial POLAR BEAR press runs started in the Summer of 1910. American Litho printed 138 subjects of the 350-only series with the POLAR BEAR backs. 2nd..In the 150 series press runs, American Lithographic printed 34 different Southern Leaguers (SL)….16 of which represent the Southern Association. Then in the 350 series press runs, ALC expanded the SL sub-set to 48 subjects....20 of which represent the Southern Association. The 4 additional Southern Association subjects are Bill Hart, "Hub" Hart, Lentz and Rockenfeld. This fact is important, as it clearly sets a Spring 1910 timeline for the print run of the "T213-1" cards. 3rd..42 of the 48 subjects are absolutely 350-only series subjects. This fact is certain since these cards were subsequently printed with AB350 (frame)..BL350.. CY 350..DRUM 350 backs (circa Summer 1910). And, you have to realize that the 6 super-prints were originally printed in this early 350-only series press run together with these other 42 subjects. The 6 super-prints, of course, were also printed with the A-B-C-D pattern. It wasn't until the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" print run (circa Fall 1910) that the 6 super-prints were then extended into the 350/460 series. It appears to me that your dogmatic mind-set is preventing you from understanding this sequence of events. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 01-03-2019 at 02:32 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Honestly Ted what do you expect when you start off a thread calling people
naysayers and uniformed and accuse them of misleading just because their opinion is different from yours. I am amazed at how you dodge questions like a mongoose dodging a cobra and spin your answers though. I was responding to your unedited post before you "corrected your typo" so I'll continue using your original post. img839.jpg 1st - This is different than your original reason but anyway there are 67 Polar Bear no prints and all of them are 350 only subjects. Of those 67 subjects 51 are major league subjects and only 16 are minor league subjects which relates to my second response/question to you. So the amount of PB no prints in the Coupons isn't surprising the main fact is some of them were printed with PB backs. 2nd I stated minor leaguers not southern leaguers and the question was are there any other backs that were printed with the 350 only subjects in the T206 set that has no minor league subjects in it? 3rd I agree that 42 of the 48 subjects are 350 only subjects and I never said they weren't you originally said all 68 were 350 only subjects and they're not. 350 only means those subjects were only printed on 350 series backs 34 of the southern leaguers were printed with Hindu backs in the 150 series and the super prints were printed with 350-460 and 460 backs. |
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Are anyone else's eyes starting to glaze over? This is like reading tax code.
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