Let the Bloodbath begin.. Show your Henry Yee winnings

[Lordstan]

I went after the 4 Gehrig Burke negatives of Lou with the kids as part of the knot Hole club promotion. The one I really wanted was the one with the little girl and I was able to get it.



Anybody else?

[gnaz01]

I got the 1910's Christy Mathewson Type 1 photo

[Lordstan]

Congrats Greg. That is a very nice pic at a great price. I was almost tempted to bid on it, but didn't.

So far some prices are very high and some were a little unexpectedly low.
I bid and won this one without planning to. I thought the bid was low, so I took a shot. Needless to say, I am ecstatic, considering the price.

Type 1 of Gehrig and Ruth crossing the plate after a Gehrig HR with Lazzeri coming up to bat.

[Lordstan]

I thought the steal of the auction so far was this WaJo type one for $380.
WOW. I hope somebody here got it.

[GKreindler]

Whoever won this got themselves quite a beauty:



I had the opportunity to work with a nice copy of it when I was doing my painting a few years back, and I just absolutely fell in love with the image.

That strong diagonal of the dugout step mixed with Ruth's gesture going in completely the other direction makes for such a dynamic shot. And all of the focus on Babe's outstretched hand, with the veins protruding from his forearm? That says it all.

Congrats to the winner, consignor and Henry!

Graig

[Lordstan]

Graig,
You're not kidding about that shot.
While I am partial to Lou, I think that is the finest picture in this current auction group.
Simply spectacular!
Congrats to whomever got it. Money well spent.
Mark

[yanks12025]

Is ruth a yankee or sox in that picture. Doesn't look like a NY on the hat.

[Lordstan]

He is a Yankee. The photo is dated 1921.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

I got the 1910's Christy Mathewson Type 1 photo

Congrats on picking up my avatar, sort of!

I saw that and put in a weak bid, but I blew all my money in REA to go higher. That is a great U&U image that was used in D381. It's a great pickup and I'm glad you got it!

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by GKreindler

Whoever won this got themselves quite a beauty:



I had the opportunity to work with a nice copy of it when I was doing my painting a few years back, and I just absolutely fell in love with the image.

That strong diagonal of the dugout step mixed with Ruth's gesture going in completely the other direction makes for such a dynamic shot. And all of the focus on Babe's outstretched hand, with the veins protruding from his forearm? That says it all.

Congrats to the winner, consignor and Henry!

Graig

Congrats to whoever got this one for sure. I don't usually collect old photos. But I absolutely love this one and the Mathewson!

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

Congrats on picking up my avatar, sort of!

I saw that and put in a weak bid, but I blew all my money in REA to go higher. That is a great U&U image that was used in D381. It's a great pickup and I'm glad you got it!

Thanks Erick, pretty stoked to add it to my collection!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I went after the 4 Gehrig Burke negatives of Lou with the kids as part of the knot Hole club promotion. The one I really wanted was the one with the little girl and I was able to get it.



Anybody else?

Mark,

That photo of Gehrig with the little girl is AWESOME!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Is ruth a yankee or sox in that picture. Doesn't look like a NY on the hat.

Brock,
I thought the same thing, but a Red Sox player in pinstripes?
Fugetaboutit!!

[Lordstan]

Thanks Scott.
I thought the others from the same shoot were pretty nice as well, but I really wanted this negative. I bid what I thought was fair on the others, but went hard for this one.
Good luck on any you'll be chasing.
Mark

[Ulidia]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I went after the 4 Gehrig Burke negatives of Lou with the kids as part of the knot Hole club promotion. The one I really wanted was the one with the little girl and I was able to get it.



Anybody else?

In my opinion, that is a beautiful image and the best of the Gehrig negatives in the auction.

I'm increasingly starting to take a more active interest in negatives - although admit to having limited, almost zero, knowledge at this stage. I also thought some of the Marvin Newman original slides of Mantle were breathtaking, although outside of my collecting sphere as post-WWII.

Haven't won anything so far - quite a few bids, mainly speculative but two or three that I might have a realistic chance of winning. Hopefully that's the case as has been a frustrating week or so for me on the baseball front (flew from London into NYC last weekend to watch the Yankees / Blue Jays game last Sunday that was rained off).

[Frozen in Time]

All the winnings posted thus far are just super. I may be mistaken, but is this the first full auction that Henry has had that just contained photos, slides and negatives and no memorabilia? I guess the hoard of Newman slides may explain the lack of any thing else.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Frozen in Time

All the winnings posted thus far are just super. I may be mistaken, but is this the first full auction that Henry has had that just contained photos, slides and negatives and no memorabilia? I guess the hoard of Newman slides may explain the lack of any thing else.

I asked him about that, and he replied that he gave up his consignment business. He said that Ebay and PayPal fees have "priced him out". That's why it was photos only this time around (as well as for the next 3 auctions).

Henry did say that the Holiday auction (just before Christmas) would again contain some memorabilia. Bummer... not a big fan of ebay these days

[Lordstan]

Ciaran,
Thanks very much,
Good luck on you bidding, as long as your not bidding against me .

Mark and Craig,
Yeah I noticed the presence of only photo auctions as well. It's too bad, he had some of great items. The thing that really separated him was the condition of the items. Everything was always seemed to be in perfect/pristine condition.
Damn shame about ebay!
Mark

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I asked him about that, and he replied that he gave up his consignment business. He said that Ebay and PayPal fees have "priced him out". That's why it was photos only this time around (as well as for the next 3 auctions).

Henry did say that the Holiday auction (just before Christmas) would again contain some memorabilia. Bummer... not a big fan of ebay these days

I don't understand - may just be my stupidity -but all these items are clearly not Henry's, so how does that work?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Frozen in Time

I don't understand - may just be my stupidity -but all these items are clearly not Henry's, so how does that work?

Maybe he did a John Rogers. Negotiated a price for the physical slides in exchange for a combination of money and digitized files of all the pictures. This could explain the disclaimer in the listing about not including the right to use the slides for profit.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Maybe he did a John Rogers. Negotiated a price for the physical slides in exchange for a combination of money and digitized files of all the pictures. This could explain the disclaimer in the listing about not including the right to use the slides for profit.

FWIW, all of the Burke negatives are/were from John Rogers at one time, as he is the one who negotiated a deal with Mary Brace to acquire the Burke/Brace archives. It appears that he also acquired the RIGHTS to the images, in addition to the physical negatives, as part of that deal.

I say this because someone recently contacted me about obtaining rights to print a Burke image (that I was selling a negative for) with a newspaper article he was working on. I went through the whole explanation of how I had the physical negative, but the rights to the image itself were not mine to sell, and sent him to the bracephoto.com website to contact Mary Brace about rights. Only to find out that the bracephoto site was no longer active. Luckily I had saved screenshots of a couple of the pages that happened to include the contact e-mail which I gave him. So he e-mails Mary, and she responds that he should get in touch with John Rogers as he was now the one "handling the collection." So he does, and works out an agreement for publishing of the image, and kindly let me know how the whole thing went since I was nice enough to point him down the right path to start with.

Rogers has offered several rounds of Burke negatives through Legendary's last few auctions, as well as blown out quite a few through a couple of different sellers on eBay (primarily "lexibell-racing" which is now "argenta-images02"), and though I thought a couple of the Gehrig images might have been among those, I checked my screen grabs and those offered by Yee were not among them (there was a similar one with a young boy seated beside Gehrig, but not the same boy). I haven't compared them against the ones offered through Legendary.

So all of that is to say that I don't know whether Henry acquired the Burke negatives he just sold from Rogers directly (either on consignment or direct purchase), from one of Rogers' re-sellers, or on consignment from someone who go them in one of these ways. To my knowledge though, Yee did not work out any deal with Mary Brace for the image rights or any kind of scan-in-return-for-the-physical-negatives deal.

I do hope beyond hope that John Rogers had the foresight to scan and digitally archive all of the Burke negatives before releasing them to the four winds. I would love to see something along the lines of the website he put together for the Conlon Collection done for the Burke/Brace Archive as well. If John reads this, or anyone has his ear, please please make sure that this irreplaceable comprehensive visual record of 60 years of baseball's history is preserved, intact, in some fashion, even if only digitally. Done right, it would be the one-stop-shop for high-quality images of not only every ball player to set foot on the field over the course of six decades, including every uniform variation they ever donned, but also countless umpires and other auxiliary personnel who never appeared on film anywhere else.

[packs]

I have a question about the negatives. What is the incentive to buy them if you can't then make your own copies? Also, would buying a negative and printing your own prints really be worth the cost of the negative? I'm just not understandng aside from the negative being cool, why people pay so much money for them.

[Lordstan]

Lance,
Thanks for that info. I was more speaking about the slides from Marvin Newman than the Burke/Brace negatives.

Packs,
I think it's more just about another type of collectible. I don't think anyone is going to chase anyone down if we make a few copies of the pics to give to friends or trade with. I think the bigger issue would be if you took one of the negs and tried to make prints to sell.

As I typed that above, I was wondering if anyone ever goes after the guys on ebay selling all those photos which they grabbed off the web and are printing one at a time as they sell them. I'm sure those guys love Henry's auctions as he provides nice large clear images for them to download and then resell.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by packs

I have a question about the negatives. What is the incentive to buy them if you can't then make your own copies? Also, would buying a negative and printing your own prints really be worth the cost of the negative? I'm just not understandng aside from the negative being cool, why people pay so much money for them.

Nobody said you can't make your own copies (for personal use). You just can't sell or distribute the image or printed copies without going through proper channels and also obtaining the proper rights for reproduction. If you're motivated enough to obtain the rights as well though, you can't beat having the original negative for source material.

Also consider that for a particular image, going back to the original negative enables you to get the absolute highest-quality depiction of that image possible rather than having to settle for a vintage print that may or may not have been produced by a skilled hand and may have damage from being handled over the years. For someone like, for instance, Graig Kreindler, who adds an insane level of detail to his paintings, having an original negative of a scene or portrait he is painting is like gold because of the level of detail held within the negative. Even if you're not reproducing the actual image, being able to see details in the negative that are not as visible or clear in the printed reproduction can often be useful.

And, utilitarian purposes aside and looking at it from a purely "collectibles" standpoint, it's always neat to move up the chain to have the thing-that-made-the-thing that you collect. I would liken having the negative of a popular image to having the printing plate for a popular baseball card. In and of itself it is not particularly "displayable," but it takes on a level of desirability because of its association with and use in the creation of the more-recognizable final product.

Just my 2 cents on the subject

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Lance,
Thanks for that info. I was more speaking about the slides from Marvin Newman than the Burke/Brace negatives.

Mark, Whoops! I misunderstood which ones you were referring to. Those I know nothing about

[BigJJ]

Who won the DiMag streak photo?

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by BigJJ

Who won the DiMag streak photo?

Not me J, but I did get this one

[Lordstan]

Very nice Greg. Congrats.
I got beat up today. The one pic I really wanted was the Gehrig with the Kids. I was the underbidder, it went a lot higher than I expected.

[gnaz01]

Thanks Mark, this one I got tonight went for a WHOLE LOT more than I expected, not sure why though

[cwazzy]

I won this one. Shows a different side of Campy than you usually see. And the unfortunate irony in the photo was too much to pass on.

[horzverti]

Yeah that Campanella pic grabbed me too. Looks like you got it for a nice price. Great pick up!

[Scott Garner]

I was very happy to add these Type I Nolan Ryan pitching sequence photos taken during his first career no-hitter at KC Royals on 5/15/73. The windup photo actually appeared in The Kansas City Times on the front page of the sports section the following day. Scant few original photos of Ryan's 1st no-no have appeared in the hobby through the years. I knew these sequence photos existed, but have never been able to find any prior to Henry's auction. As you can see, not many people were in attendance at Nolan's 1st no-hitter. Only 12,205 patrons attended this game, which was the lowest attendance in any of Nolan's career 7 no-hitters.

Here is a scan of my copy of The Kansas City Times front page that was signed in blue ballpoint pen back in 1973.

Mark V., thanks for providing the assist.

[ethicsprof]

finally picked up my first pacific&atlantic----1930 Walberg.
nothin' like a Yee auction!!!
all the best,
barry

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Maybe he did a John Rogers. Negotiated a price for the physical slides in exchange for a combination of money and digitized files of all the pictures. This could explain the disclaimer in the listing about not including the right to use the slides for profit.

I think you are right. I talked to the Newman estate several months ago in regard to the Cassius Clay negatives that were in the Yee auction.

They were actually looking to sell the rights, but they wanted a ton of money for them. I guess they had previously sold the rights to Newmans Golf photos for quite a bit, to one of the Golf publications.

[Jantz]

cwazzy/Chris

Nice Campy photo!

That will look nice with your 1949 World Series photo.

I still have the card you traded to me.

That was a nice trade and I still look for Campy items, just don't see much out here in my neck of the farm lands.

Maybe someday you'll post a few photos so we can get a gander at your Campy collection.

Take Care

Jantz

[Ulidia]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Rogers has offered several rounds of Burke negatives through Legendary's last few auctions, as well as blown out quite a few through a couple of different sellers on eBay (primarily "lexibell-racing" which is now "argenta-images02"), and though I thought a couple of the Gehrig images might have been among those, I checked my screen grabs and those offered by Yee were not among them (there was a similar one with a young boy seated beside Gehrig, but not the same boy). I haven't compared them against the ones offered through Legendary.

The Legendary Auction Burke negatives offered last November and this February were different - there were a few with kids that, I'm assuming, were likely from the same occasion. I was able to purchase two of the Gehrig negatives from the lexibell-racing site when they went on sale, alongside those of another 10 to 15 1930s HoF-ers (all for circa $49 each). Have subsequently purchased a few more at Legendary (Gehrig, Ruth) but invariably at higher prices.



Ironically, the only items I obtained in this Henry Yee auction were 2 lots of the 10 Burke Yankees negatives and 1 lot of the 10 Brace Yankees negatives. Clearly not the top drawer names in the lots but plenty of nice, vintage images and some well-established names such as Mark Koenig, a young Frank Crosetti, Arndt Jorgens, Spud Chandler, Joe McCarthy etc. In my view, very good value to purchase the 30 negatives at less than $200 all together.

Originally Posted by packs

I have a question about the negatives. What is the incentive to buy them if you can't then make your own copies? Also, would buying a negative and printing your own prints really be worth the cost of the negative? I'm just not understandng aside from the negative being cool, why people pay so much money for them.

I'm very new to collecting negatives (my knowledge is almost zero) but am intrigued by them. For me, it started last year when I was able to purchase some glass negatives from the first World Cup Final (soccer) in 1930.

I like the concept of having unique, one-off items that capture a single moment in history. This is, in part I think, the reason for whatever value that they have. Also, their physical link to the photographer and subject.

Personally, when I next move property, I am intending on having some high quality prints of some of my negatives on display, safe in the knowledge that the original negatives are elsewhere in my possession.

[GKreindler]

Hey Ciaran,

Just wondering, out of those Burke negatives you bought from Henry, did any of them include one of Babe Dahlgren? If so, is it something you'd be willing to sell?

Thanks,

Graig

[Lordstan]

Great stuff everyone.

Scott,
Glad I could help.
Those pictures are where they belong.
Good Luck tonight everyone.
Mark

[Ulidia]

Originally Posted by GKreindler

Hey Ciaran,

Just wondering, out of those Burke negatives you bought from Henry, did any of them include one of Babe Dahlgren? If so, is it something you'd be willing to sell?

Thanks,

Graig

Graig

Unfortunately the Babe Dahlgren negative was in one of the lots that I missed out on (which I regret, given the price that all of these lots sold for) - otherwise, would have been more than happy to. Ciaran

[GKreindler]

Thanks regardless, Ciaran! Did anyone else out there in Net54 land that Dahlgren negative? And if so, wanna sell it to a short Jewish artist (me)?

Graig

[Brian]

I won the 1933 photo of Moe Berg. Thought it was a reasonable price.

There are/were some beautiful Ruth and Gehrig photos (really wanted the one of Gehrig at Columbia but lost out to a lucky bidder) in this auction.

However, of all the photos in this auction, I'd say the most beautiful and breathtaking, literally, is a certain 1954 Marilyn Monroe photo. Anyone else see that one (hint: it's already over 500 bucks)?
Brian

[Lordstan]

Can anyone say tight Jeans!

BTW. Where are Ben and David? It's hard to believe neither of them won anything in a Yee auction!

[Brian]

Tight indeed.
I am thinking of shelling out the thousand bucks that it will probably take to win that one!

[Lordstan]

Good luck if you do.
It's good thing it's encased in plastic to prevent any "damage."

[Brian]

Damn! A cool $2350 for that photo.
If I choose to sell my photos, I know who I am consigning with!
Brian

[Frozen in Time]

Although Legendary, Lelands, Heritage and REA have had some terrific photos in past auctions, more and more Henry's consistent lineup of outstanding images from all eras and all sports (and nonsports) have offered unparalleled choices for the collector. His recent auction proved to be no exception. Most here know my passion for Mantle photos and there were some super examples in this one. I was fortunate to acquire some.

Here is one of the most significant photos of Mickey taken on April 17, 1951 (and published on April 19) during his first game in the majors and showing the sequence of swings captured as he gets the first hit of his storied career against the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium. To my knowledge, this is the only sequential composite of the Mick wearing #6 and is only the second example of this historic vintage image to ever surface. One can clearly see the '51 patch as well as the perfect balance and follow through of the rookie's swing.
Of course, it doesn't hurt that it also contains my avatar.

[horzverti]

Originally Posted by Frozen in Time

Although Legendary, Lelands, Heritage and REA have had some terrific photos in past auctions, more and more Henry's consistent lineup of outstanding images from all eras and all sports (and nonsports) have offered unparalleled choices for the collector. His recent auction proved to be no exception. Most here know my passion for Mantle photos and there were some super examples in this one. I was fortunate to acquire some.

Here is one of the most significant photos of Mickey taken on April 17, 1951 (and published on April 19) during his first game in the majors and showing the sequence of swings captured as he gets the first hit of his storied career against the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium. To my knowledge, this is the only sequential composite of the Mick wearing #6 and is only the second example of this historic vintage image to ever surface. One can clearly see the '51 patch as well as the perfect balance and follow through of the rookie's swing.
Of course, it doesn't hurt that it also contains my avatar.

The #6 on his back is just the cherry on top of this already super sweet photo. Kill-er sequential photo of young Mickey!

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by horzverti

The #6 on his back is just the cherry on top of this already super sweet photo. Kill-er sequential photo of young Mickey!

Thanks horzverti - I just love the dynamics of that swing by the 19 year old phenom showing in his first base hit (a single) in his first game in the major leagues.

Here is another super image that I picked up in Henry's auction. A dynamite Type 1 portrait of The Mick taken during his favorite summer, 1956. Crystal clear with that engaging Mantle smile - just a perfect image. The mark on Mickey's forehead is part of the photo and unfortunately also part of Mickey's forehead - a scar just beginning to heal.

[GKreindler]

Lovely pick-ups, Craig!

Getting original shots from Mantle's first game isn't the easiest of things to do. And like you mentioned, I think I've only seen one other out example of this out there. I'm glad it's in the hands of such a passionate Mantle fan!



Graig

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by GKreindler

Lovely pick-ups, Craig!

Getting original shots from Mantle's first game isn't the easiest of things to do. And like you mentioned, I think I've only seen one other out example of this out there. I'm glad it's in the hands of such a passionate Mantle fan!



Graig

Thanks Graig - love 'em both. And, yes only two vintage photos of the sequential #6 batting sequence showing Mickey getting his first major league hit in his first major league game have ever surfaced in the 30 years that I have been collecting - and I am fortunate to now own both of them!

I typically don't collect negatives or slides (have a few early 1950's B&W negatives of a young Mickey taken by local photographers and about 20 absolutely amazing 35 mm color transparency slides from 1956 (portrait and action) that I got directly from the estate of noted NY Times and SI photographer Arthur Daley.

Here is one by Marvin Newman that I won in Henry's auction. I like this particular slide for a few reasons. First, it's one of only a few vintage, original color images (almost all are B&W) showing how the locker room at the "old" Yankee Stadium appeared at that time frame. Second, what an image of the Mick - handsome as ever and take a look at the size of his relaxed left forearm, hard to imagine how he pushed it through the sleeve of that iconic '50's shirt!!!