1925 Washington Senators/Possilbe World Series Ball Help

[yanks12025]

Hello,
Just picked up this baseball and after buying it I regretted doing so because I thought I paid too much. But now I feel it might be worth more than I thought. It's a 1925 Washington senators baseball no matter what. The ball is from 1925 only. But I believe it is a world series baseball because I think I see the auto of Lee Meadows(under Nick Altrock) who was a player for the pirates and pitched in thw world series in 1925. In-fact if this is a World Series baseball, it most likely is game used in the 1925 World Series because according to Brandon(ball expert) store bought baseballs the presidents name was in red. While game used/professional balls the name was in black like this one.

So can you guys help me figure out more names and whether the one is actually Lee Meadows. So far I know of Nick Altrock, Walter Johnson and it looks like John J McGraw on the sweet spot.

Thank you all very much for any help

[JimStinson]

You finally took my advice and bought a black light .... The name above the name that appears to be McGraw looks a lot like Bill McKechnie who was the Pirates manager in 1925 , another name I recognize is Win Ballou who only played one season with Washington 1925 , Hard to tell if the signature on the ball is actually John McGraw but it does have some similarities
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[JimStinson]

Also one of the names is EMIL YDE who was on the Pirates in 25
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[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Hello,
Just picked up this baseball and after buying it I regretted doing so because I thought I paid too much. But now I feel it might be worth more than I thought. It's a 1925 Washington senators baseball no matter what. The ball is from 1925 only. But I believe it is a world series baseball because I think I see the auto of Lee Meadows(under Nick Altrock) who was a player for the pirates and pitched in thw world series in 1925. In-fact if this is a World Series baseball, it most likely is game used in the 1925 World Series because according to Brandon(ball expert) store bought baseballs the presidents name was in red. While game used/professional balls the name was in black like this one.

So can you guys help me figure out more names and whether the one is actually Lee Meadows. So far I know of Nick Altrock, Walter Johnson and it looks like John J McGraw on the sweet spot.

Thank you all very much for any help

Looks like the beginning of honus Wagner on last photo and rest of name on third to last

[Andy Sandler]

I believe Tom Zachary gave up home run #60 to Babe Ruth.
Neat baseball!

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Looks like the beginning of honus Wagner on last photo and rest of name on third to last

that is absolutely Honus Wagner ! the squiggle at the beginning is the "J" in J. Honus Wagner
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[prewarsports]

You've got Spencer Adams as well, one of the first Mormon Ballplayers and a member of the Senators. That is Bill McKechnie for sure as Jim Mentioned it might be.

[yanks12025]

Could the name above the the presidents stamp be Bucky Harris. I'm curious of the name on the sweet spot under who I think is John McGraw, it has a long name but no name on the rosters look like it and looks to start with a A.

Also maybe Joe Judge above Emil Yde?

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Could the name above the the presidents stamp be Bucky Harris. I'm curious of the name on the sweet spot under who I think is John McGraw, it has a long name but no name on the rosters look like it and looks to start with a A.

Also maybe Joe Judge above Emil Yde?

A wild guess on that name near the sweet spot is Kenesaw Landis
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[yanks12025]

I think you might be right Jim. In looking at his autos online, his first name does look the same and there is a M between the first and last name. Just hard to see the last name because it groups in with the auto above.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I think you might be write Jim. I looking at his autos online, his first name does look the same and there is a M between the first and last name. Just hard to see the last name because it groups in with the auto above.

Would make sense too because if it was a WS game in Pittsburgh , especially the 1st game which I believe they played in Pitt , Both McGraw and Landis would likely have been present and probably seated together as they seem to be the only two names (so far) not from either the Senators or Pirates. Like "Casey" used to say "You can look it up"...
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[JimStinson]

Looks like McGraw was there for sure.
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[Michael B]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I think you might be right Jim. In looking at his autos online, his first name does look the same and there is a M between the first and last name. Just hard to see the last name because it groups in with the auto above.

I would agree with this. The first photo at the bottom is Kennesaw and the second photo has M Landis. He tried to squeeze his last name between McGraw and the stitches.

[packs]

Really nice ball! I don't think it would be a game used ball from the series though. I would guess it would have been signed before the game and not after. I don't know if Landis and McGraw would have ben around post-game. But maybe they were.

[Shoeless Moe]

Can you post some pix of it not under the black light?

[yanks12025]

Here you go.

[Shoeless Moe]

Some great sigs indeed on there! I love finding/seeing hidden gems like that one. Very nice.

[peterose4hof]

Really neat ball you got there. Congrats!

Summarizing what others have posted and adding in a few guesses of my own. Here's what I have come up with (based on the black light illuminated photos). The names with a "?" are guesses on my part (and could be wildly off).

Pictures 1 & 2 (Sweet Spot)
Bill McKechnie - John McGraw - Kenesaw Landis (Pretty spectacular trio)

Picture 3
Nick Altrock - Lee Meadows - Tom Zachary - Joe Judge - Emil Yde - Firpo Marberry (?)

Picture 4
Stanley Coveleskie (?) - Harry Leibold (?) - Win Ballou - Unknown Signature - Spencer Adams - Walter Johnson (Awesome!)

Picture 5 - this one is particularly faded and tough to make out.
Bucky Harris - J. Honus Wagner & perhaps two other unidentifiables

Picture 6 - (repeat of picture 3)

Picture 7
The rest of J. Honus Wagner (not too shabby)

[yanks12025]

Could the auto above Wagner but under the president stamp be Joe harris. I also think Bucky is on top.

[shelly]

My question would be why would the Senators would sign a National League ball

[Hankphenom]

Why is there so much discussion about this ball? It's a nice 1925 World Series ball signed in Pittsburgh, probably at the opening game of the series. All the signers were there and I don't know why there would be any clubhouse. Gamer or not, I wouldn't know. Send it to JSA or PSA.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Why is there so much discussion about this ball? It's a nice 1925 World Series ball signed in Pittsburgh, probably at the opening game of the series. All the signers were there and I don't know why there would be any clubhouse. Gamer or not, I wouldn't know. Send it to JSA or PSA.

Someone woke up on the grumpy side of the bed this morning.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Someone woke up on the grumpy side of the bed this morning.

Not me, and didn't mean to come off that way. Let me try again:

Great 1925 World Series ball, Brock. Why don't you give it to JSA or PSA and let them figure out who's on it?

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Someone woke up on the grumpy side of the bed this morning.

If we are talking about the same Hank Thomas I met at the Atlanta National many years ago, its impossible for him to ever wake up on the grumpy side of the bed ....Hard to find a more amicable individual than Hank. For sure ! Hey Hank you remember what I told you Ty Cobb said about Home Run Baker ? I'll bet you are still laughing
Cheers
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[yanks12025]

Do you guys think any of these could be clubhouse? I've never heard if Wagner, landis, Johnson clubhouse autos.