WTB: Billy Sullivan PSA 2/3 range... Multiple backs needed

[Joshchisox08]

Looking for a Sullivan with a unique back as in anything other than Piedmont or Sweet Caporal though I would listen in on them.


PSA 2-3 range



Pied 150 SGC 20
Pied 350 PSA 3 (MK)
SC 150/25 PSA 3
SC 150/30 PSA 3
SC 350/25 PSA 3
SC 350/30
Sov 150
Sov 350 GF PSA Authentic Altered & Raw Beater
Brown Hindu
Old Mill

[Tom S.]

Just wanted to let you know that Sullivan doesn't come with a Polar Bear back.

Your only other confirmed options besides Piedmont or Sweet Caporal are going to be Sovereign, Brown Hindu, or Old Mill.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Just wanted to let you know that Sullivan doesn't come with a Polar Bear back.

Your only other confirmed options besides Piedmont or Sweet Caporal are going to be Sovereign, Brown Hindu, or Old Mill.

I feel like I should have known that. Had I looked at my checklist. Series, players, and back combinations aren't my strong point quite yet. Still very rusty on that.

[pbspelly]

I thought it was also made with an El Principe de Gale back (although I've never seen one). Is this wrong? This is what confuses me: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

I thought it was also made with an El Principe de Gale back (although I've never seen one). Is this wrong? This is what confuses me: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

I have it as being possible just not confirmed. I'm sure Jeff Throm would know. He's the EPDG expert

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

I thought it was also made with an El Principe de Gale back (although I've never seen one). Is this wrong? This is what confuses me: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

Site is confusing. Sullivan is possible but unconfirmed, so at this point I honestly do not believe it exists.

BTW, example of why I would highly doubt that site:
http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

It just doesn't exist......yet they imply that it does, just like with the Sullivan.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Site is confusing. Sullivan is possible but unconfirmed, so at this point I honestly do not believe it exists.

BTW, example of why I would highly doubt that site:
http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

It just doesn't exist......yet they imply that it does, just like with the Sullivan.

Shit I was hoping that of the many times I've seen your EPDGs I simply overlooked a Sullivan and you had duplicates

[pbspelly]

I've had my eye out for a while and kind of suspected that it didn't exist. Just like I also suspect there aren't any Sporting Life Cabinets (W600) with him either, even though he is listed.

[Joshchisox08]

bump. I guess I'm trying a back run:

I own Pied 150 (shocker)

Need

SC 150/25
SC 150/30
Sov 150
Pied 350
SC 350/25
SC 350/30
Sov 350 GF
Brown Hindu
Old Mill

[Joshchisox08]

bump....

Looking for PSA here. Sov back would be awesome but really any back will do.

[Jantz]

Josh

Some of Sullivan's cards have crop lines on the back & one back has a plate scratch. Just throwing that out there.

Good Luck on your back run.

Jantz

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Josh

Some of Sullivan's cards have crop lines on the back & one back has a plate scratch. Just throwing that out there.

Good Luck on your back run.

Jantz

Sullivan seems pretty scarce for some reason or another. I've always liked the card and I'm a Sox fan so him being the first real catcher for them kind of makes me like it even more.

[Tom S.]

Josh, I hope that you'll be able to pick up the Sullivan cards you need.

He is actually the only one that I have been able to complete the back run on so far for my White Sox T206 master set.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Josh, I hope that you'll be able to pick up the Sullivan cards you need.

He is actually the only one that I have been able to complete the back run on so far for my White Sox T206 master set.

I've seen a Sovereign once. I used to own a torn up Old Mill I traded to Luke, and I've only seen a Hindu once (Also owned by Luke).

Those three are going to be the ultimate challenge.

[Joshchisox08]

Just made a deal with a board member for this card. Thanks to Mike P. for getting me underway
Piedmont I bought off a board member so long ago I can't remember who sold it to me.

[Pat R]

Good luck with the back run Josh. Sullivan is one of my favorite portraits in
the set. Although this isn't related to a back run there are a few Sullivan's
with damage to the U.
Sullivan Print defect.jpgSullivan Print defect crop.jpg

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Good luck with the back run Josh. Sullivan is one of my favorite portraits in
the set. Although this isn't related to a back run there are a few Sullivan's
with damage to the U.
Attachment 260231Attachment 260232

Pat, thanks I didn't realize there was so many idiosyncrasies with his card. So we have plate scratches and the "U" damages.

Do you know of any theories behind any of this?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Pat, thanks I didn't realize there was so many idiosyncrasies with his card. So we have plate scratches and the "U" damages.

Do you know of any theories behind any of this?

Hey Josh,

I forgot to mention that the SC350/25 you picked up is a beauty for a 3.

There is a plate scratch that shows that Sullivan and Chase (Pink Portrait)
were in the same sheet position on different PD150 sheets.
Sullivan Chase.jpgSullivan Chase Back.jpg
Sullivan-Chase Plate Scratch.jpg
Sullivan-Chase Plate Scratch Back.jpg

Both Sullivan and Chase (Pink) are found with several different crop marks.
Here are a few of the Sullivan crops.
Sullivan Plate Scratch-Crop.jpgSullivan PD 150 Crop.jpg
Sullivan%20SC%20Fact%2030%20Crop.jpgSullivan Sovereign 150 Crop.jpg

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hey Josh,

I forgot to mention that the SC350/25 you picked up is a beauty for a 3.

There is a plate scratch that shows that Sullivan and Chase (Pink Portrait)
were in the same sheet position on different PD150 sheets.
Attachment 260263Attachment 260264
Attachment 260265
Attachment 260266

Both Sullivan and Chase (Pink) are found with several different crop marks.
Here are a few of the Sullivan crops.
Attachment 260267Attachment 260268
Attachment 260269Attachment 260270

Pat,

you're proving that this site is a great place for people with the best knowledge in the hobby.

Thank you for sharing this it makes me like the card even more and I had no idea about any of it

[pbspelly]

Not looking to sell any of these (some are not in the greatest condition, anyway), but you might find them interesting. I have these Sullivan backs, which I believe to be the complete set as far as types (not including differences in numbers, such as 150/25, etc.), although, as noted earlier in this thread, there is a tiny bit of doubt about whether an El Principe De Gales exists.

In case you are interested, the portrait used on Sullivan's T206 was based on a photo taken by Carl Horner sometime prior to 1903 and reused over and over. I own all of the other Sullivan items shown here except for the Breisch Williams. The Horner cabinet portrait of him in a suit was, undoubtedly, taken at the same sitting as the photo of him in uniform that was used as a basis for all of the cards. Someone else here on the board has the Horner cabinet of him in uniform.

Just so you know, he was my great grandfather, which is the main reason I have amassed all of this.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Not looking to sell any of these (some are not in the greatest condition, anyway), but you might find them interesting. I have these Sullivan backs, which I believe to be the complete set as far as types (not including differences in numbers, such as 150/25, etc.), although, as noted earlier in this thread, there is a tiny bit of doubt about whether an El Principe De Gales exists.

In case you are interested, the portrait used on Sullivan's T206 was based on a photo taken by Carl Horner sometime prior to 1903 and reused over and over. I own all of the other Sullivan items shown here except for the Breisch Williams. The Horner cabinet portrait of him in a suit was, undoubtedly, taken at the same sitting as the photo of him in uniform that was used as a basis for all of the cards. Someone else here on the board has the Horner cabinet of him in uniform.

Just so you know, he was my great grandfather, which is the main reason I have amassed all of this.

That is quite the collection you have there! That photo of him in the suit is amazing

Great Grandfather wow! Did you ever get a chance to meet him?

[pbspelly]

Unfortunately I never got to meet him. He died before I was born.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Unfortunately I never got to meet him. He died before I was born.

Still a wicked cool story and really awesome you're related to the first Sox catcher!

Wish I had some of your items pictured above

[Joshchisox08]

Picked up another beauty and a real steal at that $33 for a PSA 3. I'll take that all day. New card added in photos above.

Anyone have another PSA for me to knock off the list?

[scotty21690]

Matthew Rhys.....is that you??




(I Apologize for my novice MS Paint skills )

[Joshchisox08]

Bumping for updated list and photos of the latest arrivals.

[Pat R]

Did you see the Hindu that was listed on ebay Josh?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-206-Hindu-...p2047675.l2557

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Did you see the Hindu that was listed on ebay Josh?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-206-Hindu-...p2047675.l2557

I did but didn't have the cash at the time

I think the Old Mill will be the most difficult.

[Joshchisox08]

bump

[pbspelly]

If you are still in need of a SC 150/30, I saw a couple for sale on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T206-B...sAAOSw-jFaGFGM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Sweet-...sAAOSwWGtZeoaN

I'm not the seller

Cheers

[jtlake67]

I've got a Sweet Cap 150/30 PSA 3 for sale on one of my posts. $50 total ($45 + $5 shipping).

Tim
jtlake67

[Joshchisox08]

Guys thanks for reaching out to me. I realllllllllly appreciate it.

@Tim right now I'm trying to work a deal for a Hindu. Needless to say I'd have to put all other backs aside right now lol. I don't see his Hindu pop-up to often and someone from the board was nice enough to reach out to me.

If you do have that card when I get funds restored then I'll def get back to you!

[jtlake67]

Gee, I though a Sweet Cap Factory 30 would be much more exciting than a Hindu!! Good luck on your Sullivan chase!

[Joshchisox08]

Bump

[oldmancards]

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