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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Joann
I've noticed that many (even most) of the mysterious 1921 Herp's cards have some kind of bleed-through or something that causes a ghost of the bold "braided" border on the back to appear on the front. Scans below, but not very good ones. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Joann, can I post my Cobb? Just because? |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Joann
Of course you can. (grumble grumble hmmmph). |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
The Herps are an earlier set than the E121 Series of 80, but produced after the Holsum Bread (Type I set), and they date from the same time as the Standard Biscuit set that was also produced "between" these two sets. It would be logical then to infer that the Herps were probably produced as a set of 80 (as that is the # advertised on the backs of those with Standard Biscuit (D350-3). It is likely the checklist is Not complete in that 80 different players were produced, with several not making it through the years. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: leon
As Jeff's Cobby illustrates it had an oil? based pencil mark on it, at one time. Of the one large group that was ever found every single one had a mark similar to this. They are very hard to get off without leaving some form of a mark or indention behind.......regards |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Joann
But if it were a printer's proof set or whatever, why would the mark be on so many of them? |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: DaStaka
Joan: Don't gimme dis sheet. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: fkw
Joann, Ive thought the same exact thing about these cards when I first picked some up. At one time I had 11 of them and at least 3-4 have the same wet sheet transfer on the front. I always thought It might be that this find of 69 cards were all stacked on top of each other and wrapped tightly for many many years and the ink transfered from the pressure. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Brian Van Horn
Joann, |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I have always believed that this was originally a set of 80 as well with a few cards lost along the way. I noticed that mark too and like Frank, thought they may have been stacked on top of each other -perhaps shortly after they were cut. Mine obviously have the same mark as the others, but I noticed that the Cobb is marked at $5, Baker is $2 and Rice and a common I have are marked at $1. Maybe they were marked before Rice went into the HOF? |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: fkw
My theory...... they were first discovered in the 1970's and put into a garage sale or flea market and thats were the penciled "$" price mark on back came from. The other 11 missing cards were either sold then (or maybe some didnt make it through the years and were lost). The cards that didnt sell in this garage sale were then put back away for another 30 years or so until being rediscovered a couple years ago in the eBay era (easy to sell) and then to the hobby. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Joann
It seems increasingly impossible for me to reconcile the braid bleed-thru on the front of these cards with limited (ie, 1/1) production. Everything about it is more consistent with many more cards being produced - even if all at the same time and scrapped. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: 1880nonsports
but a much of the time ephemera and paper collector. I have seen MANY different kinds of "ghosting" that has occured over time to paper and inked goods. Moisture - pressure - storage - and god knows what facilitates errent and unwanted transfer. Add to that the exact same patterns - the fact that only one of each card exists and I think you have fairly good circumstantial evidence that it was a set that wasn't actually distributed - and that the braiding is in fact transfer. Is it possible that the backs were printed last or with a slightly greater amount of ink and subsequently - contemporaneously cut and stored one on the other? Multiple shhets as was pointed out doesn't make a lot of sense either. Some later date is credible as it moved down the timeline - someone liked the cards or the sheet - bundled them up - and put them away in whatever environment. Who knows. I think the point may be moot as how it occured wouldn't be germain unless there was a question of authenticity. Just a thought or two at 2:30 AM and not an ultimate defence of my position. If one had a sample in hand - a good loupe might help. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Ed Ivey
I'll take the Cobb and Stengel for 5 bucks each. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: leon
I guess I answered the wrong question first, pertaining to the pencil marks. The ghost of the bold "braided" border on the back to appear on the front would seem to be a wet sheet transfer.....even if they were cut from the only? sheet and stacked while wet...regards |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Joann, I just took a hard look at mine, and I'd say I'm about 95% sure it's bleed-through and not wet-sheet transfer. You can clearly see where the braid imprint is on the front of the card, and it appears to be exactly where the braid is on the back. |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: leon
My SWAG method of science didn't work and Al is correct. After looking at 3 others, I have, up close...I would say there is a 100% chance the braids on fronts of these cards are bleed through. It's proven on this card as the braids match up perfectly on the front and back.....sorry for the large scans but sort of needed too....regards |
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Question about Herpolsheimer's 1921 cards
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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