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Originally Posted by D. Bergin
Do you think Ortiz did more gear then Clemens?
Not a court of law. Nobody is going to jail or even paying a fine. What's your opinion?
Yes, I believe it's a level of complicity.
Personally, I think Ortiz, Sheffield and Pettitte stole a few packs of gum from the convenience store. I think Clemens and Bonds and McGwire and Sosa robbed an armored car as it was making a pickup at the bank.
Hell, Sheffield and Pettitte (I'm not sure about Ortiz), at least fessed up about it, and showed some remorse about it, unlike these other top tier guys who went into denial mode......though I think McGwire finally admitted to it eventually also. I don't think Pettitte is quite a HOF'er anyways, but it's why he still gets support, on top of his Postseason record.
I think most of the people responsible for voting in these popularity contests, feel the same way.
Everybody who votes on these committees, including the ballplayers who have been in the clubhouses, and likely really knew what went on behind closed doors, form their opinions around they're own circumstantial evidence.
Oh, Jose Canseco never failed a drug test either. Pretty sure he was geared up LOL! He only started throwing everybody else under the bus, after he got pissed off he was never invited back into the league after his age 36 season.
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Again, nobody has said it is a court of law. Again, it is common sense to use evidence to shape opinion instead of vice versa. I understand that that, and holding consistent standards across the board, is unpopular.
I have no idea "who did more gear", and neither do you.
For Canseco, a failed test is one avenue of evidence - nobody has ever said it is the ONLY possible piece of evidence. The evidence against Canseco could fill an entire book, including his numerous admissions lol