Trump calls on Baseball Hall of Fame to admit Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by G1911

Exactly, he ended up with meaningless statements about how he was 50/50 on if he'd heard a conversation right and blew the case against Clemens by leaving only an accusation from a convicted perjurer and no evidence. Speculation about which of his stories (even though Pettitte is so honest!) is true and which is false is just speculation and people's beliefs. By the standard applied to Clemens here, I'd have to believe most anyone accused of anything was guilty of that thing. Compare Clemens' situation to how this board will exonerate Ortiz, for whom the evidence is greater than it is for Clemens but people like him so he gets a pass. Evidence is a good standard to use, because among many reasons it helps to steer towards the center and around people's narratives of good guys and bad guys.

The best thing against Clemens is that his career trajectory tracks with McNamee's charges and is highly abnormal. But that ain't much evidence either.

Do you think Ortiz did more gear then Clemens?

Not a court of law. Nobody is going to jail or even paying a fine. What's your opinion?

Yes, I believe it's a level of complicity.

Personally, I think Ortiz, Sheffield and Pettitte stole a few packs of gum from the convenience store. I think Clemens and Bonds and McGwire and Sosa robbed an armored car as it was making a pickup at the bank.

Hell, Sheffield and Pettitte (I'm not sure about Ortiz), at least fessed up about it, and showed some remorse about it, unlike these other top tier guys who went into denial mode......though I think McGwire finally admitted to it eventually also. I don't think Pettitte is quite a HOF'er anyways, but it's why he still gets support, on top of his Postseason record.

I think most of the people responsible for voting in these popularity contests, feel the same way.

Everybody who votes on these committees, including the ballplayers who have been in the clubhouses, and likely really knew what went on behind closed doors, form their opinions around they're own circumstantial evidence.

Oh, Jose Canseco never failed a drug test either. Pretty sure he was geared up LOL! He only started throwing everybody else under the bus, after he got pissed off he was never invited back into the league after his age 36 season.