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Weird that he singled out Clemens. I wonder what distinguishes him from the other PED users.
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I hope it happens, so the rest can get in and we can end the conversations each year about the PED players.
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Weird that he singled out Clemens. I wonder what distinguishes him from the other PED users.
Maybe his politics?
When he isn't voted in, maybe the President can just issue an Executive Order.
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When he isn't voted in, maybe the President can just issue an Executive Order.
Ass kissing and bribes can get you whatever you want in today's America.
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Weird that he singled out Clemens. I wonder what distinguishes him from the other PED users.
The statement says he believes Clemens was falsely accused and did not use steroids. That would be why he is singled out. Or politics.




I think that Clemens probably did use, but the case against him is very weak and there is little to no real evidence beyond the bizarre aging pattern - really only the testimony of a convicted perjurer.
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Thank you for your attention to this matter!
I mean, I wish it weren't so. It's hard to ignore though, unless one completely avoids all news.
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I mean, I wish it weren't so. It's hard to ignore though, unless one completely avoids all news.
I completely avoid all news. Life is way better and in case you didn't know your statement has always been true.
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I exclusively get my news from two flagship print newspapers -- one that leans left and one that leans right -- and ignore entirely the Politics sections of those newspapers. I find that helps.
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I completely avoid all news. Life is way better and in case you didn't know your statement has always been true.
True, but it has reached absurd new heights recently. I keep telling myself I will avoid news but it's hard to do!
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I exclusively get my news from two flagship print newspapers -- one that leans left and one that leans right -- and ignore entirely the Politics sections of those newspapers. I find that helps.
This is definitely the way to go if you can manage it. It's just too convenient to pull up the news when you have some spare moments...
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NYT and WSJ?

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The statement says he believes Clemens was falsely accused and did not use steroids. That would be why he is singled out. Or politics.









I think that Clemens probably did use, but the case against him is very weak and there is little to no real evidence beyond the bizarre aging pattern - really only the testimony of a convicted perjurer.
Yes, plus statements from Amdy Pettite and Jason Grimsley, and Clemens' DNA on a steroids needle. But no acne, shrunken balls, or size 10 head like other users.

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Yes, plus statements from Amdy Pettite and Jason Grimsley, and Clemens' DNA on a steroids needle. But no acne, shrunken balls, or size 10 head like other users.

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Pettitte backed way down on cross, admitted he wasn't sure at all.
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It's a case of reverse jury nullification for the roid guys. The Contemporary Era committee is the only way in for those guys, and that committee is stacked with living HOF players. And as I've said before, I think the living HOF players are the least sympathetic voting cohort.
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Yes, plus statements from Amdy Pettite and Jason Grimsley, and Clemens' DNA on a steroids needle. But no acne, shrunken balls, or size 10 head like other users.

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Yes, plus statements from Amdy Pettite and Jason Grimsley, and Clemens' DNA on a steroids needle. But no acne, shrunken balls, or size 10 head like other users.

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1) Pettite backed down under oath and testified he wasn't sure that was what he actually had heard; he walked it back to a 'I don't know'.

2) The LA Times reported Grimsley fingered Clemens and Pettite and others in an affidavit. The affidavit was later unsealed and showed Grismley had not accused Clemens - he had said he got steroids from McNamee. The LA Times had to publish a retraction. I don't recall him later ever testifying against Clemens.

3) Clemens admitted the DNA on a needle from pretty early on. The dispute was if it was used for steroids (McNamee's story) or vitamin B12 shots (Clemens story, and to which his doctor testified to). The needle could have been used for either.

I suspect Clemens was guilty, but there is so much fake news about his case that is still widely believed.

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The Mike piazza bat throw incident is the only clip you will ever need to see to judge his steroid usage (out of this solar system). And also to judge him as a person. He literally hurled a spear at Mike that could've easily impaled him.
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C’mon man, Pettitte was best buds with Clemens in both New York and Houston. He was workout buddies with him for years. He didn’t “mishear” anything. Likely he took it very easy on Clemens when he testified under oath.

Easy to walk back your testimony on your friend when you’re not under oath anymore. Pettitte was a genuinely nice guy and likely more honest then most. One of the only players to come clean after the Mitchell report came out. I don’t think he told the entire truth while he was under oath, but he told more then most. He certainly told more truth then Roger, who didn’t have the same reservations telling bald faced lies under testimony.

Now Roger was certainly a workout legend on whatever teams he played on. Pettitte credits him with extending his own career by convincing him to take a workout regimen seriously. Roger had a little help though….and I suspect he helped Pettitte get a little help to.

The real question is, do you think MLB was so far behind the 8 ball in regards to regulating the HGH problem (not necessarily the anabolic steroids as much), do you think it should matter, if MLB didn’t think to ban it until certain players had been making use of it for years. Should those players be penalized when they had no real guidance on the issue until it was too late.

I mean, they still knew it was wrong, because they all went to great lengths to hide it from the general public…but………..
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