Josh Gibson items

[Fandom0610]

I know his stuff is extremely scarce but was curious to see if anyone has any items of his they could share. Greatly appreciated. Also does anyone know how many known examples of his autograph have been authenticated?

[Brent G.]

This seems to be the grail.

[perezfan]

Outside of anything that can be documented as “game used”, that piece has to be the grail. One of the greatest pieces of memorabilia known to exist, and (true to form) PSA cannot even get it centered within the holder. Impressive!

[Lucas00]

A snapshot collectors grail.

[GaryPassamonte]

Many years ago I had a barnstorming program that included the Rochester Red Wings and whatever team Gibson was playing for at the time. The program included a nice pencil autograph by Gibson. That's one I wish I still had. Sorry no image.

[Fandom0610]

Wow some amazing stuff! Keep it coming

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

This seems to be the grail.

Hard to imagine anything better than that! There are a few Grays scorecards around where he is in the lineup, perhaps pictured also. Can't remember if he is in the Negro Leagues Yearbook from 1945 with Williard Brown of the Grays on the cover.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

A snapshot collectors grail.

Nice!

[J-Yo]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Many years ago I had a barnstorming program that included the Rochester Red Wings and whatever team Gibson was playing for at the time. The program included a nice pencil autograph by Gibson. That's one I wish I still had. Sorry no image.

As a Rochester resident I wish I could see it!


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[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by J-Yo

As a Rochester resident I wish I could see it!


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I looked through some old stuff and found a copy of the program. The game was played in Rochester in 1945 between the Rochester All Stars and the Homestead Grays. Gibson signed just below "Doser's Grill" and above the Rochester line up. I had forgotten that the autograph had been cut out of the program before I got it. You can see that in the scans. The signature was in pencil and presented much better than my copies show.

It looks like the first page of the program ended up upside down, but you get the idea. I had this way back in 1995.

[Schlesinj]

1934 Pittsburgh Crawfords (at Yankee Stadium taken by famous Harlem photographer James VanderZee).






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[accidental]

Supposedly a jacket worn by Gibson: https://youtu.be/QXavhN_jtCA?si=2lUzji0nFtZP3JP5&t=635

[aljurgela]

He shows up in a lot of photos (well not a lot compared to major leaguers, but the photos are out there).... plus the Toleteros card and the bat that I just posted about upstairs...

[tippedfinger]

Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by tippedfinger

Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

Spectacular! What year is this from? I assume the Army teams were white? Any idea what the record for the exhibitions was?

[tippedfinger]

The program was from 1943. All the soldiers were from PA (they were a strong team -- (30 and 3) -- and had a couple of major leaguers on the roster. Grays won the game though, 6-3. Gibson, Leonard, Bell, Wilson and Brown all played for the Grays. Leonard homered, and Gibson doubled and tripled. What a game, and not really covered in the history books. Everyone always talks about the Ruth war bond games, this was the Grays war bond game!

[Brent G.]

That is MAGNIFICENT!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by tippedfinger

The program was from 1943. All the soldiers were from PA (they were a strong team -- (30 and 3) -- and had a couple of major leaguers on the roster. Grays won the game though, 6-3. Gibson, Leonard, Bell, Wilson and Brown all played for the Grays. Leonard homered, and Gibson doubled and tripled. What a game, and not really covered in the history books. Everyone always talks about the Ruth war bond games, this was the Grays war bond game!

Fabulous artifact from a historic event. That one belongs in the NL HOF.

[67Rally]

Originally Posted by tippedfinger

Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

This is gorgeous! Any chance you could share images of the line-ups?

[67Rally]

Originally Posted by tippedfinger

Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

Apologies for the double post.

[jerseygary]

Yes, please share the rest of the scorecard - it's a real beauty. A look at the lineup and uniform numbers would begreat interest to Negro League historians, and I doubt there'll be another chance to see one again.Thank you for showing it here

[jbhofmann]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Outside of anything that can be documented as “game used”, that piece has to be the grail. One of the greatest pieces of memorabilia known to exist, and (true to form) PSA cannot even get it centered within the holder. Impressive!

They should fabricate a completely custom case for instances when items are worthy. This would be a worthy case.

[jd9cards]

Here is my 1950-51 Toleteros Joshua Gibson. I will be getting it graded at the National next week. Hoping for a PSA 4!

There are ~28 copies of the Toleteros Josh Gibson to exist. It is his only pack pulled card ever made close to when he played, a true baseball card Holy Grail, the "Black Honus Wagner".

[whammons]

I am looking for an autograph if there is ever 1 available.

[Fandom0610]

Originally Posted by whammons

I am looking for an autograph if there is ever 1 available.

Make sure you sell your house before you do...lol

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jbhofmann

They should fabricate a completely custom case for instances when items are worthy. This would be a worthy case.

Agree... For what they charge and how long they make you wait, get the damned thing centered and create a stellar presentation. PSA is crap.

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Fandom0610

Make sure you sell your house before you do...lol

Don't have to do that...Coaches Corner probably has one for a few hundred bucks in there next auction. Certificate of authenticity included.

[Rhotchkiss]

I can add this

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I can add this

Sweet Jesus! What year is this, he looks so young.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Sweet Jesus! What year is this, he looks so young.

I looked it up and he played for Ciudad Trujillo in the Dominican League in 1937. He was born in 1911.

[bleeckerstreetcards]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I can add this

Holy hell. With cool papa and Satch too, among others. The biggest names from the NLB.


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[Rhotchkiss]

It’s an amazing piece. Hank, I brought it to the trade event last year, but you did not attend. I can bring it again this year if you want. It’s beautiful in person.

[Baseball Rarities]

Love seeing all of these Gibson pieces.

That 1937 Ciudad Trujillo photo has always been one of my favorites.

Here is an early image of Gibson along with his 1928 Pittsburgh Crawfords team. Gibson is 5th from the left.

This image was used by Graig Kreindler for the painting that was the basis for this poster and card. The poster includes Gibson in nine of uniforms arranged chronologically from 1928 through 1944. Ryan's Ciudad Trujillo and Jeremy's Concordio images were used for the poster as well.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Love seeing all of these Gibson pieces.
That 1937 Ciudad Trujillo photo has always been one of my favorites.
Here is an early image of Gibson along with his 1928 Pittsburgh Crawfords team. Gibson if 5th from the left.

According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?

Hi Hank - Yes that is definitely a 16 year-old Josh Gibson. The photo came from the collection of teammate Harold "Hooks" Tinker, who is credited with bringing Gibson to the Crawfords in 1928.

Here is another photo from Tinker's collection that was taken at the same time. Tinker has identified all of the players on the back. Gibson is in the front row, on the far left.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Hi Hank - Yes that is definitely a 16 year-old Josh Gibson. The photo came from the collection of teammate Harold "Hooks" Tinker, who is credited with bringing Gibson to the Crawfords in 1928. Here is another photo from Tinker's collection that was taken at the same time. Tinker has identified all of the players on the back. Gibson is in the front row, on the far left.

Incredible! Thanks, Kevin.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?

According to Wiki: "Shortly thereafter, he [Gibson] was recruited by the Pittsburgh Crawfords, which in 1928 were still a semi-professional team." When Wiki says 1932-36 it's referring to when the Pittsburgh Crawfords were professional.

[JeremyW]

What a great bunch of Gibson items. Here's my 1934 Concordia (Venezuela) team photo (3.25X5.75) with Gibson, Martin Dihigo, Rap Dixon & others.

I believe the team was in the Dominican playing a tournament.

[Rhotchkiss]

This thread is unreal!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by John1941

According to Wiki: "Shortly thereafter, he [Gibson] was recruited by the Pittsburgh Crawfords, which in 1928 were still a semi-professional team." When Wiki says 1932-36 it's referring to when the Pittsburgh Crawfords were professional.

Thanks!

[Sleepless72]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

A snapshot collectors grail.

That's a photo I'd love to have in my collection!

[Sleepless72]

This is an amazing thread. I've been collecting Josh Gibson since about 1999. I've always been a Pirates collector, but when Josh and others started appearing in Upper Deck sets, I said, "Why not? A Pittsburgh team is a Pittsburgh team!" It grew from there. Now Josh and Roberto Clemente are the two players I collect most. (Unfortunately, I can't keep up with all the Clemente cards that are released every year.)

I probably have 600-700 different Josh Gibson cards in my collection, including customs. I have some Josh Gibson rarities, but they're all relatively recent--nothing before the 1974 Laughlin Old-Time Black Stars and his HOF induction postcard--so I salivate at the memorabilia being shown here. Incredible stuff.

[ruth-gehrig]

So many great photos in this thread that are amazing "Kreindler Opportunities"

[jd9cards]

Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by jd9cards

Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

Wow, that's fantastic, Jonah -- congrats! I've never seen that -- pop 16, that's NICE.

[tjisonline]

What a thread. Wow.

[premiercardcollectors]

Grail Card!


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[MJRaider]

Insane thread. Goodness!

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by jd9cards

Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

Beast!

[Bpm0014]

Grading is so weird. A 4 out of 10 would imply that the card is somewhat below average (if “5” is average). And that’s just not fair, nor does it make sense. That looks like a 7 to me!