Christmas Day Trivia

barrysloate · #1 12-25-2018, 04:39 PM

I read this this morning and thought it was so bizarre I had to share:

What major league franchise has never had a future Hall of Famer in its lineup, not even for a single game?

trdcrdkid · #2 12-25-2018, 05:13 PM

Colorado Rockies?

barrysloate · #3 12-25-2018, 05:19 PM

That's correct David. Over 4000 games played without a single appearance of a HOFer. But with Todd Helton soon eligible, that will of course end.

nineunder71 · #4 12-25-2018, 05:40 PM

....And soon they will all have a ring, Go Rockies!!! Merry Christmas All

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-25-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's correct David. Over 4000 games played without a single appearance of a HOFer. But with Todd Helton soon eligible, that will of course end.

Of course? Larry Walker didn't make it, I think it's far from certain for Helton. Indeed I would say more likely not any year soon.

barrysloate · #6 12-25-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Of course? Larry Walker didn't make it, I think it's far from certain for Helton.

Walker should have made it, and Helton's stats are even better. And need I say both are equal or superior to Harold Baines.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 12-25-2018, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Walker should have made it, and Helton's stats are even better. And need I say both are equal or superior to Harold Baines.

Coors Field factor. Major issue for both IMO. Helton also did little after age 30. 5 AS teams, highest MVP vote 5th. Meh. I think this year we'll see Rivera, Halladay and probably Edgar.

trambo · #8 12-26-2018, 03:54 AM

I’m not sure it’s a slam dunk to say Helton was superior to Baines over a career. From a batting perspective, Baines had more hits, home runs and RBI so at least there’s an argument that would say Baines was as good or better than Helton. Plus Helton’s numbers are at least somewhat bloated by playing at Coors Field.

I’m not suggesting I don’t like Helton. I’m just not quite sure why there is so much shade being thrown at Baines. It’s not like he was Mario Mendoza. Nearly 2,900 hits and over 1,600 RBI are pretty solid numbers.

ls7plus · #9 12-25-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's correct David. Over 4000 games played without a single appearance of a HOFer. But with Todd Helton soon eligible, that will of course end.

Not if they weigh his home/road splits as heavily as they did Larry Walker--a good to very good player on the road, great player in the thin air, large outfield of Coors. 1.048 OPS, 227 HR, .345 BA, 859 RBI at home; .855 OPS, .287 BA, 142 HR (approximately one every 8 games, or 20-21 per season), 547 RBI (about 80 per season) on the road.

Best holiday wishes,

Larry

Peter_Spaeth · #10 12-25-2018, 09:27 PM

Some context.

https://twitter.com/grantbrisbee/sta...263490?lang=en

familytoad · #11 12-25-2018, 10:17 PM

I guess no one figured in home field advantages and road splits for the first 175 players inducted into the HOF.

Maybe Chuck Klein and Mel Ott should be re-evaluated. But if they did, they had best look at all the ballparks that every great player played in, being careful to penalize them for playing wherever they played.

Or better yet, can�t we just celebrate that Helton indeed produced those stats (as did Walker) and admit that he was a great hitter overall?
He is comparable to dozens of other HOF players.

As it appears to be getting increasingly easier to get inducted, I think Todd will get in...and the trivia guys will need to find a different angle

I also hope some other great candidates get recognized. As a HOF collector, I don�t mind adding more cards to my collection. I doubt players like Baines �s cards will set me back like Speaker or Grove.

KCRfan1 · #12 12-25-2018, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some context.

https://twitter.com/grantbrisbee/sta...263490?lang=en

That's fine.

Again, I don't believe in penalizing a player based on where they play.

The Rangers park had the highest run ratio last year and Cincinnati's park had the highest home run ratio for park factors.

To " level " the field, MLB should have a humidor for those parks too. On the opposite end, the Mets, the A's, the Marlins, the Mariners, and the Dodgers should ask for juiced balls at home games.

Not arguing with you Peter as I enjoy your comments and insight.

Lou

jason.1969 · #13 12-27-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some context.

https://twitter.com/grantbrisbee/sta...263490?lang=en

For apples to apples, what would Walker/Helton stats on roids be?

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