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Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time
Many of you are no doubt familiar with my 54T Mays in PSA 8.5 that was previously identified by the BODA team as being doctored. You can see those deets here:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8106 And the previous N54 thread here: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=2374138 So I recently sent this very card in to PSA for them to check it out under their quality assurance review. The whole idea being that under their guarantee, if it has indeed been doctored, then PSA has the distinct pleasure of honoring their guarantee by writing me a big check to compensate me for buying a doctored card. I'm happy to report that they have now concluded their review, although I'm less happy with the results. They sent me this email earlier today (I've eliminated his name to avoid potential issues there): "My name is [name], I'm a specialist with PSA Customer Relations. I am emailing you regarding your Quality Assurance Review Submission, which we are working on getting back to you. Your card was reviewed by our Director of Grading who confirms the Authenticity and grade of the card. We will have your card sent back to you via FedEx overnight by tomorrow at the latest. This email is being sent to you as a courtesy and no response is needed from your end. Do not hesitate to contact us if you need anything or further clarification. We thank you for your patience and understanding." I emailed back to inquire whether they would be including any additional documentation, and he responded as follows: "Unfortunately PSA does not include a certificate of authenticity, however the fact that the card has been sent to us and is being sent back to you with the cert number still intact (not deactivated) should be proof enough that the card is most certainly authentic." So there you have it. Apparently BODA was wrong, and I can sleep well at night knowing that PSA stands behind their original grade. No doubt about it.
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Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left: 1968 American Oil left side 1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel Last edited by raulus; 07-02-2024 at 10:42 AM. |
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so basically the modifications were/are undetectable?
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Something like that seems to be their assertion, at least the way I'm reading between the lines.
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Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left: 1968 American Oil left side 1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel |
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I’m having a hard judging the tone of this post. Are you now comfortable with this card in your registry and collection?
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That's one reason why PSA is the arbiter of their Grade Guarantee. They determine whether or not they have to pay out.
The only way this changes is to take them to court and show the before and after images, but I think you have to do it in their jurisdiction. Or you could go scorched Earth and torment them on social media, in which case they'll still make you file a suit against them, but they'll also restrict you from your PSA account or the ability to submit cards to them again. So they couldn't detect the trimming or the recoloring? That's your industry leader, folks!
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-- PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head PSA: Regularly Get Cheated BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern SGC: Closed auto authentication business JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC Oh, what a difference a year makes. Last edited by swarmee; 05-06-2024 at 04:51 PM. |
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Sadly, I am not comfortable having this card in my collection.
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Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left: 1968 American Oil left side 1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel |
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We control the horizontal. We control the vertical. Utterly fucking predictable. Sorry Nicolo.
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Understood, thought this was the sentiment, but wanted to confirm. I’m sorry to hear this. What do you think your next steps will be?
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The corporation has investigated its decisions and determined they were all correct. Now shut up and keep sending us money, we know most of you will regardless of anything we do.
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PSA has graded 10s of millions of cards and not only have they graded them all accurately but only a few times did an altered card ever get past them. If you do not believe me, just ask them. Everyone knows this so if you are someone who accepts those terms then you have nothing to be upset about if it is at your expense. If one does not accept this, then divest and do not support them. Yeah right like that is ever happening. PSA put all their chips on greed and ego and those come up almost 100% of the time. HOUSE WINS!
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What is interesting about raulus's card is that it was part of a big submission that Moser made to PSA, and they rejected about half of the cards. Why didn't they send them all back? And what balls PSA has to continue to defend the cards in that submission they chose to grade back then. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk |
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Is the PSA certification number still 28639479 ?
I cannot get it to come up on PSA but 28639478 does and all I’m gonna say about that card is it’s interesting |
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I just sent a follow-up email to inquire about this, particularly because he asserted that it hasn't been decertified.
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Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left: 1968 American Oil left side 1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel |
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If they claim it’s not altered and there’s not evidence it is (a lie) so they don’t have to honor the guarantee, what possible grounds are there to invalidate the cert?
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I may be in the minority, but those comparisons aren't really that good. There are some spots that just don't match up between the two grades. As a matter of fact, in the box with the player below the word "Inside Baseball", there is a spot that isn't on the '7' that magically appears on the 8.5. Why would someone add a spot like that?? I'm not convinced that is the same card.
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Look below his arm where the glove is.
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