Frustrated with 3rd party authen. But not an autograph expert. Your thoughts

[Coralfarmer84]

So I purchased an autographed Lebron James jersey because to me it looked good. Send it to JSA and they tell me inconclusive and issue me a store credit if you will. (Frustrating because if you can't tell me yes or no why are you still charging me?) I still felt it was good so I decided to do a quick pinion before shipping it out to PSA. Well 8 min after I submitted it it got likely not genuine. I know it's a quick opinion but unless you really know the signature how can you review the 8-10 photos in such a short period. I just don't see how within 8 min it can get in front of the right person, them be doing nothing at that time, open think it stinks and resubmit in that time unless it was a terrible example. In this situation I don't believe thats the case, its either a decent fake or a good signature IMO. My opinion is the signature is good but at this point I have no choice but to send it back to seller. Attached is a photo of a JSA one I already own vs the white one that had no authentication. Your thoughts....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Coralfarmer84

So I purchased an autographed Lebron James jersey because to me it looked good. Send it to JSA and they tell me inconclusive and issue me a store credit if you will. (Frustrating because if you can't tell me yes or no why are you still charging me?) I still felt it was good so I decided to do a quick pinion before shipping it out to PSA. Well 8 min after I submitted it it got likely not genuine. I know it's a quick opinion but unless you really know the signature how can you review the 8-10 photos in such a short period. I just don't see how within 8 min it can get in front of the right person, them be doing nothing at that time, open think it stinks and resubmit in that time unless it was a terrible example. In this situation I don't believe thats the case, its either a decent fake or a good signature IMO. My opinion is the signature is good but at this point I have no choice but to send it back to seller. Attached is a photo of a JSA one I already own vs the white one that had no authentication. Your thoughts....

Not a auto guy but I think this is the way the picture shows them best.

[alifaxwa2]

I know nothing about his signature, but what I first noticed is that if you align your eyes so the diagonal of the jersey number is the horizon; the JSA auth jersey loops at the end (shaped like an 8 and a b) appear tilted right. In the other jersey, they appear tilted to the left.
That to me is a substantial difference (but, I don't know if he normally varies this lean or not).

Having said that. I find PSA/DNA QO to be very negative heavy. My purchase and submit pass ratio is very high. My QO pass ratio is very low.

[packs]

I don't think quick opinion is always a good route to take or put much faith in unless the signature is an obvious fake. They aren't going to spend any time looking at the item.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think quick opinion is always a good route to take or put much faith in unless the signature is an obvious fake. They aren't going to spend any time looking at the item.

""they" aren't going to spend any time",,,, not only that but who is "they"???,,
nobody knows that,, could be the guy who works the coffee truck or a member of the office cleanup crew.

[packs]

I don't really get hung up on who the who is. The point I was making was that a quick opinion is going to be quick by definition and to get a thorough look at your item you would have to pay the fee for the service.

[Coralfarmer84]

Another

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I am no expert, but have studied his signature a decent amount. That's close but vastly different. Looks like an attempted pre-Heat signature.

One on the left looks off in his last name. Usually with his signatures around the late 2000's he stretches out those letters more like the one with the JSA sticker. The one that failed is more upright with that top loop where he typically stretches it out more. That being said, I don't like it.

[Coralfarmer84]

I appreciate the feedback so far

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Coralfarmer84

So I purchased an autographed Lebron James jersey because to me it looked good. Send it to JSA and they tell me inconclusive and issue me a store credit if you will. (Frustrating because if you can't tell me yes or no why are you still charging me?) I still felt it was good so I decided to do a quick pinion before shipping it out to PSA. Well 8 min after I submitted it it got likely not genuine. I know it's a quick opinion but unless you really know the signature how can you review the 8-10 photos in such a short period. I just don't see how within 8 min it can get in front of the right person, them be doing nothing at that time, open think it stinks and resubmit in that time unless it was a terrible example. In this situation I don't believe thats the case, its either a decent fake or a good signature IMO. My opinion is the signature is good but at this point I have no choice but to send it back to seller. Attached is a photo of a JSA one I already own vs the white one that had no authentication. Your thoughts....

with literally millions of fake / bogus signatures out there ,
1000's of people being ripped off due to bogus claims
"Certificate Of Authenticity by a "reputable company" is the only way to go
and some one has to be recognized as a Leader in sports signature authentication
JSA is regarded one of if not the best in the industry if you consider realized sales in auctions as a true litmus test
there are others but not as well regarded to the General buying public

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by megalimey

with literally millions of fake / bogus signatures out there ,
1000's of people being ripped off due to bogus claims
"Certificate Of Authenticity by a "reputable company" is the only way to go
and some one has to be recognized as a Leader in sports signature authentication
JSA is regarded one of if not the best in the industry if you consider realized sales in auctions as a true litmus test
there are others but not as well regarded to the General buying public

Are you kidding me ???
You must be either an employee of JSA or a relative of his.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by klrdds

are you kidding me ???
You must be either an employee of jsa or a relative of his.

+1 lol!

[megalimey]

lol

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by megalimey

with literally millions of fake / bogus signatures out there ,
1000's of people being ripped off due to bogus claims
"Certificate Of Authenticity by a "reputable company" is the only way to go
...

For you that might work. What you don't know is not necessarily going to hurt you.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Runscott

For you that might work. What you don't know is not necessarily going to hurt you.

Sadly, it doesn't matter if its real, long as a certain someone says it is.

[packs]

You guys always rail against TPG but I don't see a real solution in what you guys offer up instead. A single person being an arbiter of authentication is extremely risky. If Bob Johnson is the single highest authority on autographs and Bob Johnson runs into some financial trouble as an individual person, he's liable to make some quick cash by authenticating his own bogus materials and capitalizing on his reputation. The same can be said for any single person. I'm all for better systems but the reality of the hobby is that PSA and JSA have a high standing with the collecting community at large, though serious collectors have issues with them. You can't deny that a PSA or JSA letter doesn't boost the value of an item vs. the same item without one.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by packs

You guys always rail against TPG but I don't see a real solution in what you guys offer up instead. A single person being an arbiter of authentication is extremely risky. If Bob Johnson is the single highest authority on autographs and Bob Johnson runs into some financial trouble as an individual person, he's liable to make some quick cash by authenticating his own bogus materials and capitalizing on his reputation. The same can be said for any single person. I'm all for better systems but the reality of the hobby is that PSA and JSA have a high standing with the collecting community at large, though serious collectors have issues with them. You can't deny that a PSA or JSA letter doesn't boost the value of an item vs. the same item without one.

100% correct , the hobby has had many bad things happen especially during the 1990's hey day , hence the massive growth of submissions to PSA and JSA , and their continued recognition as being the best solution available
to know within a very high probability that you have the real deal
not just some old dude telling you his grand daddy owned it with no back up provenance