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View Poll Results: Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth Raw? | |||
Yes | 134 | 49.81% | |
No | 86 | 31.97% | |
Maybe | 49 | 18.22% | |
Voters: 269. You may not vote on this poll |
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Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth Raw?
Title says it all, but I know Net54 loves specifics , so I will set the stage.
You are at a card show and a reputable dealer has a raw 1933 Goudey Ruth for sale. Card appears VG and does not look altered upon examination. Price is very fair for the card. Dealer says they will back up that it is real. Would you buy the card? Love to see your reason (s) on why you selected your poll answer. I posed this exact question with some friends over the weekend, love to see Net54's take. I will give their takes in a few days. Last edited by parkplace33; 04-29-2024 at 11:23 AM. |
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Not to throw in a variable but if I'm at a large show and there's a TPG onsite, I'd be more inclined to make a deal dependent on the review for authenticity.
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Absolutely and if I wasn't comfortable doing so I would stop collecting. I understand a new collector needing some help. A raw card has no more of a chance being altered than a slabbed card. In the real world it probably has a way less chance of being altered as they are altered to get into slabs.
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Massive amounts of trimmed cards in PSA/SGC/etc. slabs have been outed as trimmed the last few years. Trimming did not stop with the advent of graders who seem unable or unwilling to detect a halfway decent trim job.
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I think far far more have been trimmed post TPG. 30 plus years and counting, and God only knows how many of these scumbags (I mean leading hobby figures) are still out there every day.
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Also... Why are people putting so much stock in TPGs? Do they not pay attention, or are they so insecure that they need someone else to tell them what their own eyes should easily perceive? Take this 1956 Jackie Card with its mangled top border and multiple creases. Does anyone really think this card is a "5.5"? I prefer to trust my own judgement... https://www.ebay.com/itm/28583419175...Bk9SR7LIgc3lYw
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I answered yes based on the conditions of the sale. And as was stated a few posts above, I think most of us think we are great at catching alterations but I would wager (in honor of snowman) that most who think they can spot alterations would not do well on a grading test.
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Only if I was drunk, drugged and blindfolded.
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I would definitely buy a raw Goudey Ruth as I've handled them over the years. I bought a collection a few years back that had a Goudey and two Sport Kings Ruth cards in it along with a bunch of other Goudeys.
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For what a 1933 Goudey Ruth costs, I would not buy one raw. Sure, it could be ok. But chances are high that there is a reason why a card of that value is not in a holder.
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I would clarify if it's altered or not real, will he give a refund? if he says yes, then of course I would buy it. If he says no, then I wouldn't buy it. Otherwise, I voted yes... .
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I would not buy raw at those potential price points.
I am not skilled enough to judge what looks at different levels of the grading and would be comfortable it was a real card but unsure as I value as a result
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I have more than enough trust in myself to buy a raw card.
I would pay a fair raw price if I was in person and can handle the card. If it's online, I would possibly lower an offer for risk of trimming or coloring dependent on what I see.
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Not only is it too much of a gamble for me at that price point, but I'd be skeptical of someone selling a raw card in that range when they could easily have it graded and secure higher value and avoid any headaches. There are certainly times when a raw might intrigue me (estate sale, etc.), but without a compelling justification to ease my mind, I'd walk away. Last edited by jmhumr; 05-05-2024 at 09:43 AM. |
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Kind of agree with Packs on this one.
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I trust my own judgement more than that of the opinion sellers, and I wouldn't charge myself as much.
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Sadly The consensus by the market movers, the ones who set the going market price bidding in auctions seems to be once the card is in a PSA or SGC Holder with a number grade It doesn’t matter what has been done to the card. It’s in a holder now blessed by PSA or SGC and is unaltered and authentic with a number grade. It is now highly liquid and has a greater resale value now and down the road.
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I would get a background on the card. How it was obtained by the dealer. I most likely would buy it raw, with a thorough review of the card. I'm sure they would back it up for being real, but altered is a different story, so I would really review the card before buying.
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That's exactly what it is…
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I voted yes.
I have no problems buying raw period. Big ticket items in person viewing is a must, small time online browsing is ok. We should be well educated and evolved by now to spot all major imperfections, alterations, fakes etc. and after all that if your still pressed to get it graded just submit it… next
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Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth Raw?
So once we’re at the point where the paper stock and printing is a perfect replica (which will never happen) do the cards need to display 90+ years of authentic looking wear or does everyone just swoon over all these new-to-the-hobby 8s and 9s?
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I suspect they'll swoon as they do now over the trimmed ones.
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Sure, in person so I can evaluate it. Which is why my go bag for shows has a 30x loupe, 100x lit microscope, black light and strong flashlight.
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54 years of collecting?!! Dan, did you dad give you wax packs to open in your playpen?
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I would... If the price were appropriate
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I wouldn't. First question is why the dealer hasn't graded it themselves. By keeping such a big card raw they are leaving money on the table. That's not in their self-interest so it would make me think something shady is going on.
Second, I don't have a ton of experience handling raw Goudeys. It's never been a set I've been into. As mentioned above, stacks of raw Goudeys aren't really around at shows anymore. While I do my best to educate myself, I'd be concerned that a good fake would fool me.
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I paid $500 for 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig in 1988. Paid another $500 for 1934-39 Harridge OAL Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb signed ball. This was at Chanute Air Force Base. Used $1000 of reenlistment bonus cash (well, a check I cashed) to buy the baseball stuff. The remaining $13,500 (yes, the government took out tax) bought a new 1988 Ford Mustang LX hatchback with 302 V8 and 5 speed manual. Put 326,000 miles on the Mustang. Still have the cards and the ball. So yes, as I said earlier on in this old thread and was typically ignored, I would and did buy a raw Ruth. Even though I have made bad decisions in life, like selling valuable cards for a fraction of their worth because I was desperate, I didn't sell these. And I won't ever sell them.
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