Premium for Lionel Carter collection cards

[Section103]

This might be difficult to say given the diversity of Mr. Carter's collection, but what kind of premium do you think his cards sell for?

Thanks.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Section103

This might be difficult to say given the diversity of Mr. Carter's collection, but what kind of premium do you think his cards sell for?

Thanks.

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[MW1]

Originally Posted by Section103

This might be difficult to say given the diversity of Mr. Carter's collection, but what kind of premium do you think his cards sell for?

Thanks.

I have sold quite a few cards from Lionel Carter's collection over the last five years (more than 100) and have generally realized prices in the 1.25 to 2X range, depending on the card. Some examples sold on eBay since 2008:

1948 Bowman #34 Sheldon Jones SGC 50 $45
1948 Bowman #26 Frank Shea SGC 50 $40
1937 O-Pee-Chee #130 Ben Chapman SGC 60 $175
1948 Bowman #25 Barney McCoskey SGC Authentic $45
1948 Bowman #28 Emil Verban SGC Authentic $50
1948 Bowman #38 Red Schoendienst SGC 84 $590
1948 Bowman #42 Ray Poat SGC 70 $72
1948-49 Leaf #128 Warren Rosar SGC 88 $475
1948 Bowman #48 George Koslo RC SGC 88 $800
1948 Bowman #16 Jack Lohrke SGC 88 $400
1948 Bowman #27 Sid Gordon SGC 88 $300
1948-49 Leaf #14 Billy Johnson SGC 86 $400
1948 Bowman #1 Bob Elliott SGC 84 $146.50
1948 Bowman #6 Yogi Berra SGC 84 $611.01
1948-49 Leaf #53 Johnny Vandermeer SGC 84 $251.98
1948 Bowman #3 Ralph Kiner RC SGC 84 $260.00
1948 Bowman #17 Enos Slaughter SGC 84 $178.00
1937 O-Pee-Chee #137 Lefty Grove SGC 84 $1000.00
1937 O-Pee-Chee #139 Buck Newsom SGC 84 $400.00
1948 Bowman #36 Stan Musial Rookie SGC 88 $3250.00
1948-49 Leaf #11 Phil Rizzuto SGC 84 $750.00
1948-49 Leaf #31 Lou Brissie SGC 86 $500.00
1948-49 Leaf #83 Bobby Doerr SGC 86 $600.00
1948-49 Leaf #77 Roy Smalley SGC 86 $450.00
1948-49 Leaf #39 Ewell Blackwell SGC 84 $265.00
1948-49 Leaf #1 Joe DiMaggio SGC 80 $2500.00
1937 O-Pee-Chee #119 Bill Dickey SGC 84 $1200.00
1948-49 Leaf #49 Del Ennis SGC 88 $700.00
1948-49 Leaf #14 Billy Johnson SGC 86 $400.00
1956 Topps #181 Billy Martin SGC 88 $400.00
1948 Bowman #5 Bob Feller SGC 92 $1000.00
1948-49 Leaf #91 Ralph Kiner SGC 84 $425.00
1948 Bowman #18 Warren Spahn RC SGC 84 $750.00
1934-36 Diamond Stars #11 Bill Dickey SGC 84 $550.00
1934-36 Diamond Stars #32 Sam Rice SGC 84 $225.00


Note: Some of the card prices above reflect a multiplier greater than 2X, but this mostly comprises those examples that are otherwise NM-MT or Mint but have relatively small defects that lower the technical condition by one or more grades.

[Section103]

Thanks, both of you. I had some recollection that a premium often didn't exist. A few of the cards on my radar are fairly high grades so this information is very helpful.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I think it would only bring. A premium if people know who he was. If I were selling cards from his collection I would include information about Mr.Carter or a link to a page with info about him.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I think it would only bring. A premium if people know who he was. If I were selling cards from his collection I would include information about Mr.Carter or a link to a page with info about him.

I know who he is. I just don't place a premium on a previous owner. To me, the card is the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

I know who he is. I just don't place a premium on a previous owner. To me, the card is the card.

Agree 100 percent.

[glynparson]

I do not believe there should be one however I think generally there is.

[Mikehealer]

If there are two identical cards, in roughly the same condition I think the "Carter" card would and should sell for a bit more.

[Kawika]

The LC provenance makes owning a good card a bit better.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Kawika

The LC provenance makes owning a good card a bit better.

THAT is not a good card David. That is a GREAT card.....LC certainly had a good eye....

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Kawika

The LC provenance makes owning a good card a bit better.

Damn, I love this card to death.

[calvindog]

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Kawika

The LC provenance makes owning a good card a bit better.

David, that card is stunning. Ever since I have seen this card for the first time, it's been one of my favorites. I'm gonna have to grab one sooner rather than later!


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[glynparson]

great eye appeal for the grade it should always have a premium. To say every card he had had strong eye appeal is also not correct. I agree he had tons of gorgeous cards. But cards should be judged on the cards merits not who owned it previously. I can see a premium on Mickey Mantle's personal 1952 Topps Mantle, or similar items, but not Mr. Carter's cards simply because he owned them.

[E93]

Droooool!
JimB

Originally Posted by Kawika

The LC provenance makes owning a good card a bit better.

[kamikidEFFL]

So I've heard of this collection but what makes it so wanted or a given premium??

[Rich Klein]

In Stamps or Coins; anytime an item came from a great collection and was properly sourced there was always a premium for the provenance. As we grow up as a hobby, there will be a growing premium for the Lionel Carter collection and I'm sure other great collections (The Leon Luckey type card collection for example) will also have premiums some day.

Rich

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

In Stamps or Coins; anytime an item came from a great collection and was properly sourced there was always a premium for the provenance. As we grow up as a hobby, there will be a growing premium for the Lionel Carter collection and I'm sure other great collections (The Leon Luckey type card collection for example) will also have premiums some day.

Rich

Agreed

[Jay Wolt]

And lets not forget Frank Nagy, like Lionel Carter a pioneer who shared his info w/ the hobby through various hobby publications.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

In Stamps or Coins; anytime an item came from a great collection and was properly sourced there was always a premium for the provenance. As we grow up as a hobby, there will be a growing premium for the Lionel Carter collection and I'm sure other great collections (The Leon Luckey type card collection for example) will also have premiums some day.

Rich

The only reason any of my cards will ever have a premium is because I hopefully have some with great eye appeal. They won't be marked of course and once sold (not too soon) they will just be more cards in the hobby. I can't imagine paying a premium for any collectors cards of today, solely because they were owned by a certain collector. As mentioned, I would pay a small premium for some of the hobby giant forefathers cards.
And also, great cards Jay W........I too am glad to see you posting and hanging out with us...hope you continue to feel and get better.

[ethicsprof]

great Nagy cards! I have a few---the last one from you via LOTG:
Hughie Jennings portrait e90-1. gorgeous card.

all the best, ole buddy
barry

[Jay Wolt]

Leon & Barry, thanks for the support.

Here's another pair I hated to get rid of.



Speaking of hobby pioneers, this is a Jefferson Burdick owned E75 Jack O'Brien boxer
His familiar stampings are on the back, though SGC wouldn't list it as pedigreed
and ended up taking off a couple of grades due to the stampings.