eBay trying to remove sniping

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Similarly, I'd be surprised if switching to an extended bidding format will really impact prices negatively. For all the people who say they won't bid any more or will bid less, there will be many others who will bid more and higher because they have the chance to keep bidding to win something they really want. That's the psychology of an auction that leads people to pay more than they were planning in the first place.

That’s the way I see it. In time, some people will decide to bid in fewer if any eBay auctions that use this extended time format. But some of the people who do bid will end up bidding more than they would under the current format. The impact on final prices? It could go either way and I’m not sure we’ll know for sure unless there is an obvious change one way or the other for prices for comparable items before and after the new system is implemented.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

A lot of people value and appreciate the hard closings of eBay auctions. This system has been in place for 30 years and has made them ungodly amounts of money. As others have noted, yes, they'd be changing this in an effort to make more money for their sellers, but the bottom line is always to make more money for themselves. They are doing just fine without being even more greedy. We're all their customers, whether we're buying or selling.

There is something great about seeing "Item ends at 10:02 a.m. on July 8" and knowing that at any time after 10:02:01, I can hop on there and be given a definitive answer if I have won or lost an auction. After that time, I can move on with other matters in my life.

As to auction house end times:

In my younger days, I might stay awake until stupid o'clock following along, or going to bed at a normal hour, but losing sleep, wondering if I had won anything and not being able to sleep as a result. Frankly, as gentle a version as it may be, these late hours are an unwelcome form of torture on the part of auction houses, especially when a hard close could give everyone who puts food on their table and pays for their children's educations a better night's rest. Not to mention, the auction house staff could also turn in at a decent hour! But, follow the money. Always the money.

Fine, keep your 15 minute rule, but finalize everything by 10:00 p.m. EST. Done. Finished. Customers/consignors can know what they bought or sold and can get ready for the coming day. This is fair to both coasts and those in the middle. Practically everybody has a smart phone so they can view and bid wherever, whenever. 7:00 p.m. on the west coast is good enough. If it isn't, then fine, how about 8:00? Not a nanosecond later. Nobody seems to be doing this, why? What are the reasons for these super late closings, again? Can't we move past this, please? Oh yeah, I guess we can't. They wouldn't want to miss out on the late night overbidding of all the Joe Imbibers out there.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Agreed. You can still put in your max or snipe bid and, if higher than the next increment, you will be autobid to the next increment. Here is a real life example of why/how it could work and be good:

Last night I wanted to win a Willie mays “the catch” ticket. With one minute left, it was at $5100. I put in my “snipe” max bid of $6559 with 4 seconds left. Turns out I was outbid by one increment by another sniper at $6659. However, given the chance, I likely would have bid another one or two times, but I was not given the option; the auction just ends.

So, the snipes work their way into out, establishing a high bid for extended bidding and then people can go back at it, in two minute increments, after that. Nothing but good for sellers. As a buyer, those wanting to get a deal from the auction ending absolutely may be harmed, but those buyers like me last night will be happy to be given another opportunity

One last thing- the customer is the seller, not the buyer. The job of an auction house is to maximize the price the seller gets. Fact. People always complain about changes that benefit the AH, who make a commission off the sale, or benefit sellers, but the seller is exactly who the AH is working for, not the buyers.

THIS ^^^

If ebay's analytics says this benefits sellers without alienating enough buyers they will roll it out for good. As a seller I love it (two buyers who really want it duking it out in 2 min increments - yummy). As a buyer hoping to steal it cheap with a snipe, I hate it. :-)

[nat]

I assume that they have a legion of econ and psych phds who determined that this will net them more money. I'll trust their judgment on this.

This probably doesn't change optimal bidding strategy though. If the thing is worth $X to you put in a snipe for $X (don't bid early - no use in giving free information to other bidders) and forget about it. Yes, someone can top you in extended bidding, but that shouldn't change your strategy. If bidding goes above $X you're better off not buying it than you would be buying it. If it would have sold for $(X - Y) under the old system and now sells for $(X - Z) for Z < Y, then you're paying more under this system than the old one, but as long as you don't watch the auction and get suckered into bidding above $X you're still getting the item for less than (or equal to) what it's worth to you. Which means that it's still rational to place your bids.

[jingram058]

I have bought and sold a lot on eBay over the years. I think I signed up the year after it started up. It used to be that eBay's stated policy on bidding was, place a bid with time remaining up to what you are comfortable paying for the item. If someone outbids or snipes you, oh well. Better luck next time. I have won some, lost some. That's just the nature of the game. Any more, and for the last few years, I only look for buy-it-nows in order to not get into any of this...no sniping, no outbid, none of it. Makes for a much more pleasant eBay experience, for me. Your mileage may vary.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Leon

I snipe because I am not going to be glued to eBay. I win a fair amount and will win a lot, lot less if there is no sniping. They will do analytics after they test and make a decision. If losing bidders like myself doesn't hurt them as much as it helps the seller, and the seller is happy, that is all that counts. "Money" is almost always the answer.
As said, eBay's customers are their sellers. But if even more people leave than have in the recent few years, then more sellers might leave.

But you can still bid at the scheduled end of the auction the same way you always have with your "snipe", the only difference is that you won't watch the clock run out, instead you will get an email about payment, or you won't.

I don't understand why it would change what you would bid on a particular item that you are interested in.

I also have no interest in sitting on ebay all day or night, and I will still bid what I would have bid.

[Brian Van Horn]

Oh, great! I'll be watching a football game and when it gets to the two minute warning I'll be thinking about eBay. Well, so much for shill bidding anonymous.

[YazFenway08]

For the first time tonight, I had two snipes fail.

Piddly stuff…but stuff I wanted nonetheless.

I was the high bidder (or would have been) but I “lost” due to “too many requests” I had never seen that before, but when I did some research I found some threads from years ago where this happened to other folks.

Is this directly related to this new eBay policy/attempt to stop sniping…or something else?

I won several auctions yesterday…so this was weird.

[icurnmedic]

Not sure how it will affect sellers, but it will definitely remove me from serious bidding.
I’m not going to bid my highest the first day.
I usually like to watch and get a feel of what others are thinking.
Then the last couple of days, will put my snipe in. Win some lose some but overall a recipe for success for me anyway.
I don’t have the time to sit around and watch every auction finish, as I may be bidding on 25 at a time.
Again, YMMV.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

Not sure how it will affect sellers, but it will definitely remove me from serious bidding.
I’m not going to bid my highest the first day.
I usually like to watch and get a feel of what others are thinking.
Then the last couple of days, will put my snipe in.

I don't understand why you'd need to do any differently with the rule change. You'd still win some, lose some.

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

I don't understand why you'd need to do any differently with the rule change. You'd still win some, lose some.

I would prefer not to “show my hand”with my top bid. Shill bidding will be rampant.

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by YazFenway08

For the first time tonight, I had two snipes fail.

Piddly stuff…but stuff I wanted nonetheless.

I was the high bidder (or would have been) but I “lost” due to “too many requests” I had never seen that before, but when I did some research I found some threads from years ago where this happened to other folks.

Is this directly related to this new eBay policy/attempt to stop sniping…or something else?

I won several auctions yesterday…so this was weird.

I doubt it. The auction would have extended. Not sure this is has started yet.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

I would prefer not to “show my hand”with my top bid. Shill bidding will be rampant.

This.

Any advantages of sniping are now gone. I may still look at some BIN/Best Offer items on eBay, but doubt I'll use Gixen ever again.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I think the idea stinks in no small part because eBay has not concerned itself in the slightest with shill bidding. I snipe everything because of the potential for shill bidding given eBay's total lack of enforcement and safeguards.

On the contrary, I would say they are doing this, in part, to increase shill bidding.

[mannequin1]

Originally Posted by Tabe

On the contrary, I would say they are doing this, in part, to increase shill bidding.

For at least the last 2 years ebay has already had extended bidding for a period of 2-3 minutes, so they already have extended bidding. Doing away with sniping is inconvenient to to mist bidders as not only do you have to remember when the auction ends but you physically have to be there, when you could be doing other things.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by mannequin1

For at least the last 2 years ebay has already had extended bidding for a period of 2-3 minutes, so they already have extended bidding. Doing away with sniping is inconvenient to to mist bidders as not only do you have to remember when the auction ends but you physically have to be there, when you could be doing other things.

I have never seen extended bidding on eBay for sports cards. Have they had it for other categories in the past 2 years?

[Vintagedeputy]

I love being able to snipe on eBay. Works like a charm every time.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I love being able to snipe on eBay. Works like a charm every time.

Out of curiosity, how would you know if it didn't?

[bnorth]

I had a new one happen last night. I also snipe but do it manually. When I went to put in my bid I got a popup saying I needed to set up payment details IF I won. It had 2 options, one was eBay automatically charging you 1 hour after the auction or 7 days after the auction. Luckily I had time to click on it and still bid. I won the auction and then it gave me the option for eBay to charge me in the 1 hour option I chose or pay now. It was the first time I have seen this. I only see items I HAVE to have once every year or two and this was one of those items I HAD to have and would have paid several times comps to own so I was extremely frustrated for a few seconds.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I had a new one happen last night. I also snipe but do it manually. When I went to put in my bid I got a popup saying I needed to set up payment details IF I won. It had 2 options, one was eBay automatically charging you 1 hour after the auction or 7 days after the auction. Luckily I had time to click on it and still bid. I won the auction and then it gave me the option for eBay to charge me in the 1 hour option I chose or pay now. It was the first time I have seen this. I only see items I HAVE to have once every year or two and this was one of those items I HAD to have and would have paid several times comps to own so I was extremely frustrated for a few seconds.

I got that a few months ago. I think as they roll out their automatic payment settings, everyone will eventually get that message and have to choose their setting. I haven't gotten that message since setting it up the first time.

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I got that a few months ago. I think as they roll out their automatic payment settings, everyone will eventually get that message and have to choose their setting. I haven't gotten that message since setting it up the first time.

Are we saying we have to pay for these things?

I would love to see the % of non-payers on eBay vs traditional auction houses.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I got that a few months ago. I think as they roll out their automatic payment settings, everyone will eventually get that message and have to choose their setting. I haven't gotten that message since setting it up the first time.

Amazing nobody posted about it. With all the people that think eBay is like Amazon and everything should be done instantly or they freak out. You would think the 7 day option would have caused serious hissy fits by now.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Out of curiosity, how would you know if it didn't?

Well, I’ve never lost one but I assume that if someone put in a higher bid I’d still see that my bid fired off correctly. I won’t win in that case, but the snipe would have still worked.

[Vintagedeputy]

What eBay really needs to work on is requiring buyers to leave feedback.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

What eBay really needs to work on is requiring buyers to leave feedback.

I wish they would just get rid of it as it is basically worthless anyway.

[jingram058]

What I wish is that people would just bid, and if you get outbid, just let it go.