Babe Ruth Double Signed

[SyrNy1960]

I like this piece and that it’s on hotel stationary. Not sure what year signed. Wonder the story behind it. Ruth practicing his signature? Looking for thoughts on value. Thanks!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15662892877...&segname=11051

[J-Yo]

That’s an insane price IMO. I’ve seen cuts go for $3-10 k these days, I get that it’s a Gem 10 but if I bought this piece I would want to make it into 2 cuts to recoup some of that cash so the fact that it’s encapsulated is irrelevant.


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[SyrNy1960]

That price is insane. He went as low as $23,000 which is still to high for My liking.

[Kco]

$25,000 is probably the top of the market for 2 Ruth PSA 10 Cuts, which is what this could easily be turned into if so desired.

Again, yes, low quality cuts can be had for 3.5-4k, but you're not finding PSA 10s for under $11-12k per auto at auction. (look at the last few on Heritage for reference)

The fact that it's on the Hotel New York Stationary, which he frequented and is untouched, and was double graded 10 (not sure if most realize the grading premium tacked on of getting a 10 on a vintage Ruth, let alone both autos grading 10 on the same piece.), $23,000 is a premium price but you're not finding a Double signed Gem Mint 10 Ruth signed item anywhere else.

This isn't a piece that's going to lose value, if anything it'll gain over the average Ruth cuts over time as an untouched piece.

[SyrNy1960]

Thanks Kevin!

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Kco

This isn't a piece that's going to lose value, if anything it'll gain over the average Ruth cuts over time as an untouched piece.

I've always wondered, when us older guys are gone, will the generations behind us even care about the older stuff, including Ruth, Mantle, etc. autographs?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

I've always wondered, when us older guys are gone, will the generations behind us even care about the older stuff, including Ruth, Mantle, etc. autographs?

Ruth and Mantle will never diminish. Nobody who is currently driving the market actually saw Ruth play, and extremely few people now alive who both collect and were also alive to watch Mick in real time. Their autographs and memorabilia have perpetually been the cornerstones and driving forces behind this industry. I can't possibly see that changing.

Now, in the case of many, if not most other older HOFers, it will likely be a different story to one degree or another. Ask 1000 people who Jimmie Foxx was and see what happens. Actually, ask 100 current collectors under 25 who Jimmie Foxx was and see what happens. To us, that's a monstrously huge name. The amount of people who won't know will be staggering. On the other hand, there will always be lots of recognition when they hear the names of Ruth and Mantle.

[Kco]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

I've always wondered, when us older guys are gone, will the generations behind us even care about the older stuff, including Ruth, Mantle, etc. autographs?

Yes, cause I am 42 and many of my peer group have naturally moved from the Modern stars, to the Mantle/Williams/DiMaggio, to the heavy hitters like Ruth, Gehrig, etc. Its a progression that comes with time. I started like many with current players (in my case 90's Yankees/Card Show era guys) in my young collecting days, and gradually moved into almost exclusively vintage in the last 3-5 years.

The Americana/historically significant names in Baseball and rare HOFers will always hold and gain, supply is way too limited and coveted.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Kco

$25,000 is probably the top of the market for 2 Ruth PSA 10 Cuts, which is what this could easily be turned into if so desired.

Again, yes, low quality cuts can be had for 3.5-4k, but you're not finding PSA 10s for under $11-12k per auto at auction. (look at the last few on Heritage for reference)

The fact that it's on the Hotel New York Stationary, which he frequented and is untouched, and was double graded 10 (not sure if most realize the grading premium tacked on of getting a 10 on a vintage Ruth, let alone both autos grading 10 on the same piece.), $23,000 is a premium price but you're not finding a Double signed Gem Mint 10 Ruth signed item anywhere else.

This isn't a piece that's going to lose value, if anything it'll gain over the average Ruth cuts over time as an untouched piece.

Without a doubt, sports autograph collecting has gone to the dogs.
It's a twice signed sheet of hotel stationary, for chrissakes. It's not a letter (which might have interesting baseball content), or a contract (which again is an actual historical artifact with some meaning).
Authentication was bad enough--unless the gods on Mt Olympus (PSA and JSA) provide their imprimatur, don't even try to sell. (And those assholes know less, and have less experience than many collectors.) But now, It has to be graded, too! A 10! A 10!. Now that's worth a $5k premium!
Don't you realize those numbers are totally subjective? Tell me the difference between a 9 signature and a 10 signature. Only difference is the day it was graded, and which teenage "expert" did the grading.
It's just pathetic how collectors have given up all autonomy, and all attempts to actually learn anything, and depend upon faceless, nameless, self-proclaimed experts.
Two signatures. Nothing more. the simplest, most meaningless holograph item you can find.
But it's a 10!

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Without a doubt, sports autograph collecting has gone to the dogs.
It's a twice signed sheet of hotel stationary, for chrissakes. It's not a letter (which might have interesting baseball content), or a contract (which again is an actual historical artifact with some meaning).
Authentication was bad enough--unless the gods on Mt Olympus (PSA and JSA) provide their imprimatur, don't even try to sell. (And those assholes know less, and have less experience than many collectors.) But now, It has to be graded, too! A 10! A 10!. Now that's worth a $5k premium!
Don't you realize those numbers are totally subjective? Tell me the difference between a 9 signature and a 10 signature. Only difference is the day it was graded, and which teenage "expert" did the grading.
It's just pathetic how collectors have given up all autonomy, and all attempts to actually learn anything, and depend upon faceless, nameless, self-proclaimed experts.
Two signatures. Nothing more. the simplest, most meaningless holograph item you can find.
But it's a 10!

After reading your post this morning, I thought to myself, “Man, this guy may need to go to anger management classes.” Then after going back and reading some of your past posts, I thought to myself, “Yup!”

In all seriousness, your post had nothing to do with my comment and looking for thoughts on value, nor did it add anything of positive value to it. It was nothing more than your hateful rant against sports autograph collecting, autograph collectors, and the authenticators (PSA, JSA, etc.).

You see this as “two signatures. Nothing more. the simplest, most meaningless holograph item you can find.” This just goes to show how much you don’t know.

I see this as an awesome piece! Two beautiful authentic Babe Ruth signatures on a single piece of Hotel President New York stationery of the late 1920 / early 1930’s. How many items have you seen with two Babe Ruth signatures (PSA 10) on it? Waiting, waiting…Crickets! And yes, contracts are cool, but they are not signed Babe Ruth.

Next time, before thinking about posting another hateful rant against sports autograph collecting, autograph collectors, and the authenticators (PSA, JSA, etc.) on someone’s post, maybe just consider creating your own posts about what you hate and then rant all you want.

Yes, I don’t appreciate your post!

P.S. I did find this somewhat funny on your post “FS: 1998 Yankees Team-Signed Baseball - Absolutely guaranteed to pass PSA or JSA, or full refund.”