Player IDs

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Looking for help trying to ID the possible players in this photo. It is suppose to have been taken during the 1913-14 World Baseball Tour.

I believe the guy with the big head is Buck Weaver.

The guy in the black jacket looks really familiar, supposedly there is Speaker in the photo but can not ID him

Thanks in advice.

Lee

[nolemmings]

Looks like Merkle next to Weaver

[nolemmings]

Looks like maybe Dick Egan back row next to and behind guy in the suit.

[nolemmings]

Actually looks like Matty to me holding the girl. He did not make the trip overseas but was on the roster when it started here with barnstorming in the Midwest and West Coast (per SABR).

[T206Collector]

The signatures here may help the process:

https://collectrea.com/archives/2022...ker-and-weaver

[packs]

This page includes some close ups and candids of the players on the tour. I don't personally feel like I see any of these players in the photo posted:

https://www.vintageball.com/1913-14Tour.html

[ThomasL]

Buck Weaver is unquestionably the middle guy on the far right looking away from camera.

Tris Speaker is hold the girl

[ThomasL]

Here is another photo of the same group. It is for sale with another on ebay here is a link

Speaker is holding a girl in both group photos


https://www.ebay.com/itm/17725884324...Bk9SR5qfqJ2DZg

[JollyElm]

I know people pretend that time travel doesn't exist, but the dark-suited gentleman is definitely Ty Cobb from the 1930s dropping in for a visit.

[ThomasL]

Man in the back with his teeth showing I believe is Dick Egan

Man with his hands crossed and looks to be holding a guys head I believe is Louis Steve Evans


I think there are only 7 players (not sure about the guys with glasses)...and while the IDs of Speaker and Weaver are 100%, there can be some doubt on the others as several guys look alike (Walt Leverenz and Dick Egan for example) so

[ThomasL]

Less confident but better than 50/50 odds...Walt Leverenz is the disembodied head kneeling with Weaver's hand on his shoulder

also think man standing far right could be Jack Bliss...not sure about the final player standing...looks too gaunt to be Tom Daly to me but kind of thought that is who it could have been idk

[ThomasL]

It appears to be all players from the "White Sox" team as none of these guys look like anyone on the New York team

for sure NOT in the photo are Jim Scott, Joe Benz, Germany Schaffer...probably Sam Crawford as well but the man standing far right in the dark is hard to truly see and a small chance that could be Crawford but looks more like Jack Bliss to me

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Darren, interesting that was my first thought when I saw the photo, Ty Cobb. Has anyone ID the man in the black suit?

Thanks for all the help,

Lee

[ThomasL]

My final answer but reserve the right to change my mind as a few are hard to tell the difference between as noted before:

This is a photo of players that were on the White Sox team for the world tour while on a ship (know this because they are wearing the same close and all the same people are in the other group photo that is on the deck of a boat for sale one ebay)

Back row, standing L-R: Dick Egan, Tom Daly, Louis Steve Evans, Jack Bliss
Bottom Row, sitting/kneeling L-R: Tris Speaker (holding girl), Walt Leverenz, Buck Weaver

Weaver and Speaker are unquestionable and the rest seem to be very likely IDs.

All players are wearing similar shirts, man with a tie at the bottom right and man in a suit I would label as non-players. There were many other people who traveled with this tour (including families) and possible they are two of those men or could just be people on the ship with them at the same time.

Here is a picture of everyone involved with the tour. I dont know if anyone has IDed everyone here or if that info is available anywhere...but we can see I think all the ball players in it that are in this photo...gives you an idea of how large this group touring was

[Hankphenom]

Surprised no one has mentioned Alfred E. Neuman.

[ThomasL]

There are two personal log books from people on this trip in Robert Edwards Auction archives. Both include many signatures. If Ty Cobb was on it it would be reflected in one if not both of those...he is not in either one and I found no evidence suggesting he went on this trip at all. He would be present in the two big photographs of everyone who went on the trip and he is not in either of those. It is not Ty Cobb.

Several other baseball related people did go on it including executive Thomas Lynch, former players Joe Farrell and Fred Pfeffer, writers such as Comiskey's future Biographer GW Axelson.

Your best bet is look at the big photo I posted and see if you can match the man in the suit to someone in it...I saw maybe one guy it could be but not real sure...then you would know if it was someone with the party or just a passenger.

Also the ship is probably the RMS Express of Japan

I will note one player was on the tour but doesnt appear in a lot of modern things written about the teams, Andrew Andy Slight, I was only able to find one photo of him and I dont think he is in this picture of yours but not sure.

[ThomasL]

Oct 18, 1913 Atlanta Constitution article detailing Ty Cobb's winter plans...he did not go on the world tour and thus cant be him in the photo

It looks a little like John Tener president of the NL who did go on the trip but the man in the photo is much shorter than Tener so dont think it is him either, but thats the closest Ive come to who it looks like that was on the trip...

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by ThomasL

Oct 18, 1913 Atlanta Constitution article detailing Ty Cobb's winter plans...he did not go on the world tour and thus cant be him in the photo

Ummm...you understand the post was clearly a time travel joke, right?? Wow.

[ThomasL]

Jolly- Yes I understand THAT post was...however this comment

"... interesting that was my first thought when I saw the photo, Ty Cobb."

by the OP suggested that they might have legit thought it could be Cobb and that is why I posted that. The OP asked for help and made a comment they thought it could be Cobb that didnt appear to be a joke...that's who I am trying to help...if you notice I didnt respond to your joke post only mentioned Cobb after the OP's comment on Cobb. Trying to be productive and helping instead of counterproductive