Joss 2 colors

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

I have 2 Joss pitching cards and they seem to have 2 different uniform colors. I just noticed this a few day ago. I have checked ebay and a few different sites. It appears both colors are easy to find.
card on the left is a Sovereign 350 and the card on the right is a BroadLeaf 460.
Is it just a color (red)missing or are there two different colors?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Forget about the colors...a Broadleaf 460?

From the scan it looks like a different shading, but not a different color.

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Posted By: stefan

you got to show the back for that one.
plz?

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Should probably be a 40 but there is a small crease from his left bicep to his left sleeve and a bit a paper loss on the back that breaks the frame line.Still very nice 30.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Fabulous looking card, you lucky fella!!!!


best,

Barry

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Posted By: stefan

man u just don't see nice broadleaf 460's around.
nice show Jim.
i only wish i had one ive been hunting way too long now.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Great card Jim, where did you ever get a BL 460? LMAO

www.danmckee.com/pictures/types001.jpg>

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I have a few cards like that. The ink started to run out during the print run.

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Dan

I think the seller darbys sold me a fake BL 460 Joss and I am trying to get ahold of him for a refund+++++LMAO

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

lets see some joss scans

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Posted By: Jeff D.

Well here's another T206 (if you wanted to see some more color examples). This is a Tolstoi back:



Not sure if you wanted to see some other Joss cards, but I never really noticed until tonight that the T206 pose is the exact same as the Turkey Red:




As seen together here:

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey Jeff D,

I've never seen that overlay before for any T3/T206 combination. That's great!!!

Might that be true for one of the Mathewson cards???


And any others??

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Posted By: Mr.Moses

if I remember correctly and there ARE others. Will check when time permits as I'm slowly attacking the T206's..... I'm sure more advanced baseball collectors here will contribute?

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Posted By: Jeff D.

Yes. There are definitely others.

Hughie Jennings is the easiest to spot, because it's such a unique pose:




It's clear that the detail of the artwork is much higher in the T3's, perhaps because there is so much more space.
This is evident in the Cobb, which varies in quality, but the pose and general shape is the same:




Cy Young requires a tilt, and again the detail isn't there in the T206, but it's clearly the same image:




And then there's the Mathewson you were asking about. That's much more fun to view in movie form:
(for longer viewing hit pause and use the slider to move back and forth)

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

That is great stuff...

Cobb bat on shoulder

Jennings dancing

Joss ready to pitch

Young bare hand



Now you have both the dark cap and white cap Mathewson's there. My recollection was that the two cards were slightly different, that there was more difference than just the cap color. The T3 has a white cap??


I'm curious about whether there are more T206s that overlay with T3s. And then, are those T206s all from a certain series?

Thanks for the posts, Jeff.

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Posted By: Craig D

Jeff,

Great job with the overlays! Very nice.

On my T3 website (www.t3turkeyred.com), I have a page entitled "T206 Connection", where I noted the long list of T206s which have "partners" in T3. Sorry for not updating the site lately. Can anyone else suggest additions?

Happy Collecting,
Craig

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Posted By: Brian T.

Love the overlay presentation! Thanks for the demo.