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Posted By: steve f
Perhaps all colors are in equal abundance, but seems that the "purple" version is far less prevalent at auctions. Couldn't locate a reference in the more common W517 sources. Any 1930's or W517 collectors have an idea on the pops. of the various colors? These two I believe are green (possibly black) and purple. |
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Posted By: fkw
Some may have more info, but IMO the toughest colors are red, purple, and the medium green. The most common are sepia, B&W, and dark blue. The tougher colors are attractive and command a premium over the more common colors. |
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Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
This list is based on my experience collecting these and what I've seen on Ebay and elsewhere- |
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Posted By: Brian
Hi |
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Posted By: steve f
Amazing the varieties of this strip... |
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Posted By: Brian
Judging from your scan and comparing it to my cards it appears to be green. The black and white is a lil easier to tell. The green color comes in like 3 different shades:Dark green,Green, and very light green. You have two nice cards there of ruth. The other Ruth appears to be sepia color at first glance, but then the purple hits you. How many other W517's do you own. Also I am in the process of getting these cards out of the "W" category in the card catelog. Thanks and any more questions feel free to email or ask. |
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Posted By: fkw
Out of the "W" category?? What other category would they fit in? |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
I agree with Frank, they're W cards if you like it or not. Though they are not as crude as many they are still strip cards thus having the W designation. |
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Posted By: Brian
I know that but if you are 90% sure who the maker of the cards are and 100% sure what city they came out of then why would they be in with the W cards?? W cards are for strip cards, that is correct but the card catalog gives the W designation because the makers are unknown!I dont need emails asking me what I know because Its not 100%! |
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Posted By: jay behrens
It is known who made a number of the strip card sets and there is movement to get htem moved from the W catagory, so why should this set be any different. The definition is a generality. The first being the the cards were sold in strips. The fact that most it a manufacturer is unknown does not make a card a strip card. That would mean that all the E-unc cards should be reclassified as W-unc by your definition. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
From Chicago and printed by the Exhibit Supply Company? |
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Posted By: identify7
Well Brian, perhaps you can help me with some information. |
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Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
Back in the February 1978 issue of The Trader Speaks collector Rex Coile submitted an interesting article on the W517 series. He felt that this set was likely a candy issue and that it may have been connected to a product known as "Champion" or "Champions". Despite some of the interesting theories that Rex had, I still think that this set is right at home in the W category. Here are some things to consider: |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
Brian, you seem to have enough time to post reguarly so why don't you post a scan of your 1912 Boston Garters ? You claimed you couldnt because you were busy with business and wouldn't have the time to reply with them. |
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Posted By: identify7
It appears to me that the colors observed in the w517 set do not represent discreet press runs containing individual colors. It seems much more like a continuous printing process in which when the pigment was running low, more was poured in. The ink (I guess) may or may not match that of the ongoing process. |
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Posted By: Brian
To start off I will respond to identify's question. I almost agree totally to what your theory is on the card colors. Remember these cards were printed during the depression so it is more likely that they could have just poured colors of ink in when one ran out. Why would you really care about your manufacturing process during that horrible time of the U.S.? Do you have scans of those two cards you are talking about? Are they photo size? I remember back in 1999 I think when Halper collection was sold there was an orginal picture(black and white) from which the ruth portait was made that sold with the ruth card for around $4,000. If this is the same card kinda card you are talking about. I havent seen many original photos, but could this be what you have? |
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Posted By: fkw
Thanks for the new info Brian, |
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Posted By: Anson
I've seen lists that vary quite a bit. In the cases of a lot of the 517s, there just seem to be too few of any one player to get a good read on it. |
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Posted By: bill
hey first post |
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Posted By: fkw
Id buy every single mini you have at 2X! W517 Mini commons will usually sell for 4-6X more than the normal size cards, the HOFers maybe 3-4X. The Mini's are far rarer. They were issued 2 ways, in vertical strip like the normal sized ones, and also there is a 1929 4-in-1 Postcard back Exhibit that has the same images and when cut apart they look very similar and are often collected as part of the same set. The colors of some mini's (especially the cut Exhibit ones) are brighter as you will see with this red one. The 1929 Exhibit is now listed on page 139 in the 2006 SCD, this is the first year they are cataloged. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I used to own a complete set minis in the red color. I had them at the big Labor Day show in SF in 1989 and no one had a clue what they were at the time. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Hi Brian, |
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Posted By: Brad Green
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Posted By: identify7
The arguements which you offer for w517s being manufactured in Philadelphia are less than convincing. |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
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Posted By: Zach Rice
Well all this W517 Mini talk paid off ! Today at a show I picked up 3 for 15 dollars and the guy has about 5 left I will pick up tommorow. |
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Posted By: Brian
Yes, I know that the cards were printed in Philadelphia. Just trust me, I dont feel like writing a whole page here but I saw it with my own eyes. Champion Draw Box told me everything. 10 years of research on this specific set has paid off. |
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