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					Originally Posted by zljones  I tried a offer once on a 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle, he was asking $1595 for one in poor condition, and it was in a rougher looking poor condition.  I figured this thing is worth about 1000-1100 so those were my offers he countered with 1525 both times.  That was waaaayyyy too high to pay.  I then won an auction a few weeks later for a beautiful SGC 30 for $1636.  It just seemed ridiculous that he would not come down.   
If it happens to be that he does that to prove a point then I guess that can explain to same counter offer.  I really hate when people get offended when I make a lowball offer, I am not trying to be a jerk I just want to save money.  I have had experiences attempting to make deals with board members and they got upset at some of my offers, I had to beg for them to come back and talk to me LOL.  The negotiating price thing makes me nervous, I wish it would be as smooth as Pawn Stars and no one got offended  .  
But now that you guys told me you had good experiences with 707, perhaps I will give it another shot.  There is one of his items I have been drooling over and it's not priced super high, just too high, maybe I will try an offer and see what happens, then if he takes it.  I'm glad I brought this up because now I got some good advice, I hope it works.  Wish me luck with my offer. | 
	
 Good luck.  All of my dealings with him have been cheaper items, and have worked out well.  A '51 Bowman Mantle isn't exactly the best card to use as a basis for judgement.  It's one of those cards, where conventional rules go out the window.  Eventually, some one will overpay for that card. So I imagine that thought probably played into his counter-offer.