1931 Babe Ruth Autograph Ball--Traced Over--JSA

[travrosty]

so the first 150 goes back to pay for the authentication. there was nothing there to authenticate. how authentication is possible when ink is covering it up?

i guess there is no downside to calling it good. who's gonna say its NOT a ruth sig when no one can see it? which begs the question - just what is the allure to this ball, what makes it worth anything? I would think the heavy trace over would render it trivial.

if just the ruth sig were removed from this ball, would it look any different?

just a few points to ponder.

[drc]

I can't see it, but I can sense it. And when I was a child, the black cook said I had a gift.

[mcgwirecom]

I traced over it some more...

[Donscards]

Guys I didnt expect to take a pounding here---I am not saying this is a $5000 ball---I am thinking $500-800 range---I know it is traced, but at one time Babe did touch and sign the ball---I scanned the Coa for u to read--I feel this ball gives some collectors a chance to own a Babe Ball for alot less than normal---Somewhere along the line, a person did trace over it--I was just looking for a little help as to price the ball fairly. thanks, Don

[daves_resale_shop]

is the JSA cert # b43424?

[earlywynnfan]

Looks like the cert isn't in the system!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[RichardSimon]

On things like this ball it is always in the eye of the beholder.
Tracing and a horrible looking baseball,,, well it is not something I would even want to offer to my customers and as a one off I would never buy it.
Just my opinion here, everyone has one.
IMO traced over autographs are not authentic any longer and I never would sell one, that is why I value it so minimally.

[RichardSimon]

The COA that is pictured is not in the JSA database, good catch David and Ken.
And if you read the COA it mentions clubhouse signature version(s) and name by name examination of the ball.
What does that mean?
What gives here?
And nice job Randy .
I did not know you had those skills, after all these years you learn something new about a person .

[esd10]

i could see it fetching $500 to $1000 to some collector

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here is something I noticed. Look at the date (Oct. 1, 2007) on the COA. Then, if you notice, there is a date-stamp (7/21/2007) under the photograph of the ball on the JSA LOA. Can anyone explain that?

Here is a screen-shot of the JSA cert check on that number:

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traced-2.jpg

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Donscards

I know it is traced, but at one time Babe did touch and sign the ball

I may be confused, but.... Doesn't "clubhouse signature" and "non-authentic" mean that Ruth never touched the ball? (If the LOA is not a photoshopped monstosity, of course.)

[RichardSimon]

There is something rotten here and I don't think it is JSA.
The cert not in the system, the date of the photo and the COA don't match and the wording of the COA definitely indicates a team ball with multiple autographs.
The COA also says the Ruth was signed in black and then traced over with blue. It sure looks black to me in the pictures that Don has put up.
All this adds up to something really rotten here.
Sure smells like a photoshopped COA done by a dope.
Maybe one as stupid as the guy who tried to sell me a bogus Ruth autograph with a COA from Scoreboard (true story).
Don, who did you get this ball from?

[mcgwirecom]

Does JSA use the paper with his watermark? Hold it up to the light and see if it has his watermark.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I may be confused, but.... Doesn't "clubhouse signature" and "non-authentic" mean that Ruth never touched the ball? (If the LOA is not a photoshopped monstosity, of course.)

We are all confused on this one Jim, don't feel like you are alone .

[murphusa]

take a look at Hunt Auctions All Star game auction they have about 5 or 6 traced over balls

[travrosty]

some people think it is worth more and some less, some appreciate the fact that the babe touched the ball and signed it once, some don't because the sig is traced over. but that is what happens in the hobby. you just have to find the first group and maybe someone will pay the 500-800. it's up to them.