1931 Babe Ruth Autograph Ball--Traced Over--JSA

[Donscards]

Guys I didnt expect to take a pounding here---I am not saying this is a $5000 ball---I am thinking $500-800 range---I know it is traced, but at one time Babe did touch and sign the ball---I scanned the Coa for u to read--I feel this ball gives some collectors a chance to own a Babe Ball for alot less than normal---Somewhere along the line, a person did trace over it--I was just looking for a little help as to price the ball fairly. thanks, Don

[daves_resale_shop]

is the JSA cert # b43424?

[earlywynnfan]

Looks like the cert isn't in the system!

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[RichardSimon]

On things like this ball it is always in the eye of the beholder.
Tracing and a horrible looking baseball,,, well it is not something I would even want to offer to my customers and as a one off I would never buy it.
Just my opinion here, everyone has one.
IMO traced over autographs are not authentic any longer and I never would sell one, that is why I value it so minimally.

[RichardSimon]

The COA that is pictured is not in the JSA database, good catch David and Ken.
And if you read the COA it mentions clubhouse signature version(s) and name by name examination of the ball.
What does that mean?
What gives here?
And nice job Randy .
I did not know you had those skills, after all these years you learn something new about a person .

[esd10]

i could see it fetching $500 to $1000 to some collector

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here is something I noticed. Look at the date (Oct. 1, 2007) on the COA. Then, if you notice, there is a date-stamp (7/21/2007) under the photograph of the ball on the JSA LOA. Can anyone explain that?

Here is a screen-shot of the JSA cert check on that number:

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[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Donscards

I know it is traced, but at one time Babe did touch and sign the ball

I may be confused, but.... Doesn't "clubhouse signature" and "non-authentic" mean that Ruth never touched the ball? (If the LOA is not a photoshopped monstosity, of course.)

[RichardSimon]

There is something rotten here and I don't think it is JSA.
The cert not in the system, the date of the photo and the COA don't match and the wording of the COA definitely indicates a team ball with multiple autographs.
The COA also says the Ruth was signed in black and then traced over with blue. It sure looks black to me in the pictures that Don has put up.
All this adds up to something really rotten here.
Sure smells like a photoshopped COA done by a dope.
Maybe one as stupid as the guy who tried to sell me a bogus Ruth autograph with a COA from Scoreboard (true story).
Don, who did you get this ball from?

[mcgwirecom]

Does JSA use the paper with his watermark? Hold it up to the light and see if it has his watermark.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Does JSA use the paper with his watermark? Hold it up to the light and see if it has his watermark.

JSA LOA should have a watermark in the form of Spence's signature and the notary stamp should be embossed.

[Donscards]

Guys I am confused as all of you on this baseball----What I can tell you is this Ball came into our shop when Jimmy Spence was having a Authentication day at the shop---He looked at the ball for 1/2 hour and did authenticate it---why the cert is not in his data base I dont know---I would have to talk to him---I will see him at the National----there are a few other names on the ball(two being the owner's mother and grandparents along with the State----also some other writing on a panel which I cant read.---why Jimmy mentioned clubhouse, I dont know---but he did feel Babe signed the ball and then it was traced over (maybe why he mentioned clubhouse)----The coa is good and everything is legit----again I will talk to Jimmy on it for a update---it was done like 5 years ago and the fellow came into the shop this week and sold it to me.---We had a authentication last sat again with JSA but the ball came in later in the week.---I will put a price on the ball at $500 and we can go from there.---If it doesnt sell, I will have it at the National if anyone cares to look at it. I know it isnt a topnotch ball and I am not trying to sell it at top dollar. I also would prefer a signed Babe ball that isnt traced over but this is how the ball is. low grade etc. I hope I helped a little here. thanks, Don

[RichardSimon]

Jimmy uses the term clubhouse signatures for a very specific reason. The COA seems to be for a ball with clubhouse signatures,,, this gets weirder by the minute.
I am spending way too much time on the computer ,,, on my way out for a while, it is a beautiful day in NYC.
I need a vacation,, (soon, I will be on one)

[David Atkatz]

The letter mentions "clubhouse signatures" because JSA uses one boilerplate form letter for everything they authenticate, whether it is appropriate to the item or not.
You might think that for your $150 fee JSA would have a few template letters to choose from, but you'd be wrong.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I may be confused, but.... Doesn't "clubhouse signature" and "non-authentic" mean that Ruth never touched the ball? (If the LOA is not a photoshopped monstosity, of course.)

We are all confused on this one Jim, don't feel like you are alone .

[murphusa]

take a look at Hunt Auctions All Star game auction they have about 5 or 6 traced over balls

[RichardSimon]

I am well aware that the TPA influence about traced over balls has spread.
I still have my opinion and that won't change.
I still have trouble figuring out how they justify authenticating a traced over ball and I have trouble figuring out why people buy them.
But I go back to my oft repeated sentiment: PT Barnum is alive and well.

[travrosty]

some people think it is worth more and some less, some appreciate the fact that the babe touched the ball and signed it once, some don't because the sig is traced over. but that is what happens in the hobby. you just have to find the first group and maybe someone will pay the 500-800. it's up to them.