Marijuana laws- O/T

[4815162342]

America had a good run.

[darwinbulldog]

I'm hoping legalization will bring down the prices a bit. I mean this is ridiculous:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T212-Ob...item5b050cd353

[mark evans]

I favor legalization for all the reasons stated above.

As an aside, one of my best friends and neighbors is Keith Stroup, who founded the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) in 1970 and who has since been and remains at the forefront of the legalization movement. In the course of his efforts, Keith has developed friendships with a fascinating cast of characters, to include the late Hunter Thompson, Willie Nelson and Hugh Hefner.

For those interested in the history of the legalization movement, and accompanying entertaining stories of individuals involved, you might wish to pick up Keith's book, It's NORML to Smoke Pot.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Unemployment increased 153% within the last two years.

Enough said.

[Bocabirdman]

It is worth noting that both Cannabis and Hops, arguably the most important ingredient in beer, are both from the Cannabaceae Family....just saying.

[AJR]

I don't really have much of an opinion on this O/T subject, but for any of you who want to learn more about the medical/recreational marijuana industry you should check out:

www.growthindustryseminars.com

(and if you're interested in attending the coupon code: AJR gets you a discount)

Just an FYI.

"too much of anything makes you an addict." - Nice & Smooth Sometimes I Rhyme Slow

I think I may be a t206 addict.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Unemployment increased 153% within the last two years.

Enough said.

I sure hope you are being sarcastic, unemployment in Colorado has FALLEN 30% in the past 2 years and remains under the national average:

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/colorado/

Packs - I really could not have said it much better. I would never wish someone to watch someone they love suffer, but you better believe it gives some perspective...medical marijuana is an absolute no brainer once the details get hashed out, its regulated and available in a multitude of mediums.

Legalization? Again, Packs nailed it...the incarceration numbers are astonishing. Using and driving is obviously not ok and we have laws in place already to handle that.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I sure hope you are being sarcastic, unemployment in Colorado has FALLEN 30% in the past 2 years and remains under the national average:

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/colorado/

My mistake, I meant homelessness. Homlesssness up 153% over the last two years. And as far as medicinal purposes, yeah, all those people in the video looked like they were in a lot of pain

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

My mistake, I meant homelessness. Homlesssness up 153% over the last two years. And as far as medicinal purposes, yeah, all those people in the video looked like they were in a lot of pain

Just curious David, are you for prohibition of alcohol?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Just curious David, are you for prohibition of alcohol?

Leon,

I don't drink. To me, most people that use alcohol or drugs do so because their lives are so pathetic that they have to use that kind of stuff to excape the reality of it...at least for a little while.

David

Edited to add: Maybe it's just me, but I never understood why people would want to alter their state of mind. Life is good. I want to be sober and enjoy every minute of it.

[rainier2004]

David - I generally enjoy your posts here but you are way off base on this.

Again, you must be one luck guy, you have never watched someone you love suffer...must be livin right. Well the perspective IT can give you is that you become willing to do anything to help them, to relieve it. You realize that chemo is poison and is legal, as well as experimental treatments that shred your body apart as well as the narcotics that are used to "help". Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what helps them?

Freedom is having the ability to choose without infringing on the rights of the others. How is someone using it, in their home, infringe on anyone's rights? It is no worse that current cultural standards. How does this affect you? What impact will this have on you?

S Suck.ow

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

David - I generally enjoy your posts here but you are way off base on this.

Again, you must be one luck guy, you have never watched someone you love suffer...must be livin right. Well the perspective IT can give you is that you become willing to do anything to help them, to relieve it. You realize that chemo is poison and is legal, as well as experimental treatments that shred your body apart as well as the narcotics that are used to "help". Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what helps them?

Freedom is having the ability to choose without infringing on the rights of the others. How is someone using it, in their home, infringe on anyone's rights? It is no worse that current cultural standards. How does this affect you? What impact will this have on you?

You make it sound as that ONLY marijuana can alleviate their pain.

How does it affect me? How about when they’re driving stoned and sharing the same road that I am?

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

David - I generally enjoy your posts here but you are way off base on this.

Again, you must be one luck guy, you have never watched someone you love suffer...must be livin right. Well the perspective IT can give you is that you become willing to do anything to help them, to relieve it. You realize that chemo is poison and is legal, as well as experimental treatments that shred your body apart as well as the narcotics that are used to "help". Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what helps them?

Freedom is having the ability to choose without infringing on the rights of the others. How is someone using it, in their home, infringe on anyone's rights? It is no worse that current cultural standards. How does this affect you? What impact will this have on you?

Amen. As a libertarian I have always been for the legalization of marijuana. The "war on drugs" is nothing but an impossibly expensive run up Penrose Steps in my opinion. I have never done any illicit drug before, but it is not up to me to label or pass judgement upon anyone who does. As long as their activity does not interfere with my safety or freedoms then have at it.

Tom C

[veleno45]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Freedom is having the ability to choose without infringing on the rights of the others.

I am generally for anyone to do whatever the heck they damn well please, but I am undecided on the pot subject, but this quote is the problem I cannot get over.

If it is always done in the home, smoke away, have fun. But it does infringe upon my rights when taken to the streets. This statement will of course be compared to alcohol consumption which is not a proper comparison. I never got drunk while standing next to a man drinking beer.

SOmeone sell me on being a supporter of legalization without talking about rights infringement or the ridiculous "fewer criminals" and "end war on drugs" junk.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

My mistake, I meant homelessness. Homlesssness up 153% over the last two years. And as far as medicinal purposes, yeah, all those people in the video looked like they were in a lot of pain

Thank you, David, for providing a perfect example of the post hoc fallacy for all of Net 54's budding lawyers.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, meaning "after this, therefore because of this."

Marijuana was legalized in Colorado. The homeless rate in Colorado has increased by 153% over the last two years. Therefore, the legalization of marijuana in Colorado has caused a 153% increase in homelessness over the last two years.

[mark evans]

I think the homelessness is largely attributable to the large influx of folks seeking jobs in the marijuana industry, as opposed to long-standing Colorado residents who decided to smoke pot under the new law and then, for some reason, stop paying their mortgage or rent.

As I understand the facts, many of the new residents are unable to locate jobs in the industry due simply to the insufficient number of positions and the strict Colorado law that prohibits those with felony convictions from working in the industry.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Unemployment increased 153% within the last two years.

Enough said.

Marijuana has very little to do with homelessness. Bad decisions is what causes it, usually. But what do I know, I have only given life skills classes, every week for the last 15 yrs, to the homeless at the Salvation Army. It is repeated bad decisions and lack of planning that causes homelessness. And that is enough said.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Unemployment increased 153% within the last two years.

Enough said.

Hmmm....5.1% unemployment rate in Colorado..curious where you got your factoid. Just asking.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...mployment-rate

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Hmmm....5.1% unemployment rate in Colorado..curious where you got your factoid. Just asking.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...mployment-rate

They say that 83% of statistics are just made up.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

They say that 83% of statistics are just made up.

That's on Monday. By Friday all numbers are subject to Thursday night....