What Is the Median Scarcity for Old Judge Poses?

baztacula · #1 01-03-2016, 10:41 AM

Thanks for posting the SGC 60 & 70 Ramsey photos, guys.

So here are all the N172 Toad Ramsey cards I have seen photos of so far.

If anyone can share more examples, please post the photos. There are two other SGC-graded Toads (poses unknown) that I haven't seen, one graded 'Authentic' and another 'SGC 20'. There are also two PSA Toads graded 'Authenic', both of the 379-1 variety. It's possible some of the photos of the cards currently featured in this post were subsequently graded, aside from the Burdick museum Toads of course.

Updated with 1888 "Trimmed Toad" pitching pose. Thanks, Joe G. & John D. Also, it was recommended that I separate the 1888 and 1889 Toads so they aren't all jumbled together, so I did.

baztacula · #2 01-05-2016, 09:09 AM

So I stumbled upon images of 2 more pitching Toads (379-3) from old auctions. I added them in the above post. I am waiting on the image of yet another trimmed example of that card, which would bring the current pitching pose Toad total to nine. I'm finding more than I though I would.

Ribbens · #3 01-09-2016, 11:05 AM

Anyone have any OJ Chicago Maroons to trade or sell ?

oldjudge · #4 01-09-2016, 11:21 AM

I have three in a BST ad

egbeachley · #5 01-09-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baztacula

Thanks for posting the SGC 60 & 70 Ramsey photos, guys.

So here are all the N172 Toad Ramsey cards I have seen photos of so far. The first photo in each grouping was taken from the famous Old Judge book.

If anyone can share more examples, please post the photos. There are two other SGC-graded Toads (poses unknown) that I haven't seen, one graded 'Authentic' and another 'SGC 20'. There are also two PSA Toads graded 'Authenic', both of the 379-1 variety. It's possible some of the photos of the cards currently featured in this post were subsequently graded, aside from the Burdick museum Toads of course.

I really like when someone gathers scans of all the cards for a particular player/pose. Perhaps if this is done for a handful of players there would be a better estimate of populations?

baztacula · #6 01-09-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by egbeachley

I really like when someone gathers scans of all the cards for a particular player/pose. Perhaps if this is done for a handful of players there would be a better estimate of populations?

Yeah, the Toads we can find should shed a little more light on populations for Old Judge cards. Ramsey in general is considered rare but I'm up to 9 pitching poses (I just updated my post on the previous page of this thread with image #9), which is pretty rare but that bat vertical Toad pose appears to be the ultimate in rarity, as the Old Judge book features the only image I've ever seen.

Joe_G. · #7 01-09-2016, 11:06 PM

Dave, good start on collecting Ramsey images. All three poses were issued in both 1888 (Fb) and 1889 (Fc). Fc is typically more common than Fb but you are showing a nearly equal split . . .

Pose 1 - 1 Fb (last card) and 3 Fc
Pose 2 - Fc
Pose 3 - 5 Fb and 4 Fc

Total of 6 Fb, 8 Fc

I suspect your 1:9 ratio between pose 2 & 3 is a bit skewed. The Cartolphilic listing for pose 2 shows one Fb and two different Fc variations (Louisville and Louisvilles). I suspect none of those variations are unique, there are more cards out there. I'd say Ramsey is among the easier Louisville players.

z28jd · #8 01-10-2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by baztacula

Yeah, the Toads we can find should shed a little more light on populations for Old Judge cards. Ramsey in general is considered rare but I'm up to 9 pitching poses (I just updated my post on the previous page of this thread with image #9), which is pretty rare but that bat vertical Toad pose appears to be the ultimate in rarity, as the Old Judge book features the only image I've ever seen.

If only someone spent many years collecting cards of the same player, we would have a better idea of OJ population...

"Someday I'll get better individual scans". said John, knowing full well he will probably just take a group shot with the three new cards added in and never fulfill that promise.

brianp-beme · #9 01-11-2016, 05:21 PM

Considering that I happen to have 42 Corcoran cards, and coupled with John's 41, I should think an estimate of over 100 for the most common is quite reasonable.

Brian

z28jd · #10 01-11-2016, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Considering that I happen to have 42 Corcoran cards, and coupled with John's 41, I should think an estimate of over 100 for the most common is quite reasonable.

Brian

I'd love to see the scans just so we can compare

I knew there had to be another connoisseur of fine Corcorans around

sreader3 · #11 01-11-2016, 08:57 PM

Okay . . . from the above posts of the N172 player collections it's pretty evident that some of the poses of a given player are extremely difficult whereas others are relatively pedestrian. (That's my experience with the Denvers guys too).

As a (primarily but not exclusively) T206 guy, I think the N172 focus needs to shift away from player scarcity, and toward pose scarcity. It's like the difference between a Green Cobb and a Red Cobb, only far more pronounced!

brianp-beme · #12 01-12-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by z28jd

I'd love to see the scans just so we can compare

I knew there had to be another connoisseur of fine Corcorans around

Unfortunately I only scanned the back sides, and my mom threw those in the trash after my dog ate them. I always assumed the backs are what collectors found most interesting when it comes to Old Judge cards.

Brian

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