What Is the Median Scarcity for Old Judge Poses?

z28jd · #1 01-11-2016, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Considering that I happen to have 42 Corcoran cards, and coupled with John's 41, I should think an estimate of over 100 for the most common is quite reasonable.

Brian

I'd love to see the scans just so we can compare

I knew there had to be another connoisseur of fine Corcorans around

sreader3 · #2 01-11-2016, 08:57 PM

Okay . . . from the above posts of the N172 player collections it's pretty evident that some of the poses of a given player are extremely difficult whereas others are relatively pedestrian. (That's my experience with the Denvers guys too).

As a (primarily but not exclusively) T206 guy, I think the N172 focus needs to shift away from player scarcity, and toward pose scarcity. It's like the difference between a Green Cobb and a Red Cobb, only far more pronounced!

oldjudge · #3 01-11-2016, 09:24 PM

Scot-if more people collected poses that would make sense, but very few people do. The VAST majority of Old Judge collectors care more about the aesthetics of the pose than its' rarity.

sreader3 · #4 01-11-2016, 09:28 PM

I get it Jay -- and thanks for taking the time to respond.

Leon · #5 01-12-2016, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Scot-if more people collected poses that would make sense, but very few people do. The VAST majority of Old Judge collectors care more about the aesthetics of the pose than its' rarity.

+1..There are very few collectors crazy enough to try to complete N172. It sounds analogous to completing a type card set.

crazy, crazy.....

brianp-beme · #6 01-12-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by z28jd

I'd love to see the scans just so we can compare

I knew there had to be another connoisseur of fine Corcorans around

Unfortunately I only scanned the back sides, and my mom threw those in the trash after my dog ate them. I always assumed the backs are what collectors found most interesting when it comes to Old Judge cards.

Brian

sandmountainslim · #7 10-30-2016, 12:20 PM

The N172 is so fascinating to me. I sit and look at my T206 collection and wish I had just gone ahead and started collecting OJ six years ago instead.....I would probably have less than a dozen cards by now but how cool it would be

Leon · #8 11-02-2016, 04:01 PM

How anyone who loves baseball wouldn't love looking at N172s, I don't know? When these gems have great clarity and focus they can look almost 3D. And when they have any back damage they can look like that and grade a 1!!

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Originally Posted by sandmountainslim

The N172 is so fascinating to me. I sit and look at my T206 collection and wish I had just gone ahead and started collecting OJ six years ago instead.....I would probably have less than a dozen cards by now but how cool it would be

baztacula · #9 04-10-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

How anyone who loves baseball wouldn't love looking at N172s, I don't know? When these gems have great clarity and focus they can look almost 3D. And when they have any back damage they can look like that and grade a 1!!

When I first saw scans of Old Judge cards on eBay, I thought for sure they were '3D' with the shadows I was seeing under some of the borders. Then I learned that the cards are just photographs of larger photographs that were all aligned within a template border overlay. This is what created the shadows... and the shadowy the better, in my opinion.

oldjudge · #10 04-10-2017, 04:03 PM

Since this thread has been revived I thought I would take the opportunity to add a little interesting information, especially for Milwaukee collectors. BTW, for the uninitiated, Fb and Fa are two types of 1888 Old Judge cards.
Last week, an 1888 Schenkel-Milwaukee Old Judge card showed up on eBay. It was the first known 1888 Schenkel. Because of that I took a quick look at 1888 Milwaukee cards (all of which are Fb). There are twenty players who played for Milwaukee in 1888 who have Old Judge cards. Two of these players, Winkleman and Howes played for both Minneapolis and Milwaukee that year. Each has Minneapolis Fa cards, but no known Milwaukee Fb cards. Five other players who played for Milwaukee in 1888 (Crossley, Ferson, Griffith, McAleer, Walsh) have no Fb card that is known. Seven of the players on the team are players who are very scarce (Cusick, Davin, Forster, Horner, Pettee, Stephens, Warner). Struck has a card with his name, but picturing Straus. Otherwise, he is unknown in the set. Two of the players (Fuller, Schenkel) are common players, but their Fb cards are quite scarce; witness the fact that the Schenkel was unlisted until the copy found last week appeared. That leaves Straus, Lowe and Maskrey. Maskrey has two poses with a Fb cards, all scarce; only one is listed in The Cartophilic Society Listing (CSL). Straus has three poses listed on Fb's, which are all scarce ( I have my doubts about the existence of pose two). Lowe has three Fb poses listed in the CSL, although one is called an Fb script. I'm not sure what that is--possibly an error. The other two poses are quite scarce. Where does that get us--32 or 33 Fb Milwaukee cards, and not an easy one in the group. I'm not sure why these Milwaukee cards are so tough, but they certainly are. If you find one you have hit an Old Judge home run.

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Joe_G. · #11 04-10-2017, 10:12 PM

The Fb Milwaukee cards are indeed scarce, close to California League territory, as are some of the other Fb cards. If you are after a team, player, or pose that is only known as an Fb you could spend a lifetime waiting for one to surface. When I moved to Iowa 8 years ago I thought it might be interesting to obtain an example team card of all the Western Association teams from 1888 and 1889 and quickly realized that was a tough task. Most of the Western Association cards from 1888 are Fb and rarely surface. A single example from Milwaukee, St. Paul, and other teams may not surface for years. Fantastic pick-up on the Schenkel Jay! Finding an example from the Chicago Maroons, a recognized tough team, was actually much easier than the other teams (a couple Chicago & Des Moines players seem more available than others). Even outside of Western Association there are a lot of very tough Fb cards, think Anson in Uniform, McGreachery (or the other half of the Deacon White poses), 3rd Harry Wright pose, etc.

Regarding Fb script, they do exist. I suspect these came about when some of the Fb poses were created later in the year, after the negatives had been modified for cabinet cards. Here are two examples.

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