Your picks for Individual MLB Awards for 2016!

[bravos4evr]

Who do you think should win MVP, Cy Young and Rookie of the Year for both leagues?


my choices!


AL:

MVP- Trout

Cy Young- Kluber

ROY- Michael Fulmer



NL:

MVP- Bryant

Cy Young- Scherzer

ROY- Corey Seager

[packs]

AL:

MVP: Trout
CY: Tanaka
ROY: Gary Sanchez

NL:

MVP: Arenado
CY: Scherzer
ROY: Seager

[familytoad]

AL:

MVP: Betts
CY: Porcello
ROY: Gary Sanchez

NL:

MVP: Bryant
CY: Scherzer
ROY: Seager

I can't believe I am picking two Red Sox in the AL, but I think they deserve it.
Kinda stuck on NL cy winner, many pitchers are really close...Bumgarner, Hendricks, Lester, Jansen, Fernandez maybe some love for Kershaw or Arrietta.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by familytoad

AL:

MVP: Betts
CY: Porcello
ROY: Gary Sanchez

NL:

MVP: Bryant
CY: Scherzer
ROY: Seager

I can't believe I am picking two Red Sox in the AL, but I think they deserve it.
Kinda stuck on NL cy winner, many pitchers are really close...Bumgarner, Hendricks, Lester, Jansen, Fernandez maybe some love for Kershaw or Arrietta.

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

[58pinson]

AL: MVP - Betts
Cy Young - Kluber
Rookie - Sanchez


NL: MVP - Murphy
Cy Young - Fernandez
Rookie - Seager

[KCRfan1]

AL MVP - Betts
AL CY - Kluber
ROY - Fulmer


NL MVP - Murphy
NL CY - Scherzer
ROY - Seager


What am I missing in the votes for Trout as the MVP?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

AL MVP - Betts
AL CY - Kluber
ROY - Fulmer


NL MVP - Murphy
NL CY - Scherzer
ROY - Seager


What am I missing in the votes for Trout as the MVP?

The fact that he is the best all around player in the league, and in baseball, and this from a Boston fan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

Not to mention a guy named Lester at 18-4 and 2.36. Would anyone have believed a couple of months ago that one could legitimately say Arietta was only the third best pitcher on the Cubs?

[chaddurbin]

betts is around 30% better than league avg as a hitter, trout is 70%, so he's betts on steroids...and trout plays at a more premium position (altho betts can certainly play CF also).

AL mvp--trout
nl mvp--bryant
nl roy-- seager unanimous

don't really care about the other clusterf*(* awards, seems like a down year for pitching too bad kershaw got hurt no one else really that dominant. sanchez needs another month playing time to really get some al roy consideration.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

Where are you getting that? According to ESPN Fernandez isn't even in the top 10
for WAR in the NL, and Scherzer leads.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...6/seasontype/2

[KCRfan1]

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

[nat]

Trout is leading the league in OPS+ (on-base plus slugging, adjusted to account for the park he plays in); and that understates how good he's been, since he is also leading the league in on-base percentage. (Which is more important than slugging percentage.)

He's already over 10 bWAR. It is, according to bWAR, already the 48th greatest position-player season of all time (tied with Hornsby 1927, Rosen 1953, Ruth 1928, and Speaker 1912), and he's still got something like a week and a half left to add on to that.

Trout should be running away with this one. The Angels stink though, and the voters care about that (despite explicit instructions not to), so he probably won't win it.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be one of the best players through his age 25 season ever, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Where are you getting that? According to ESPN Fernandez isn't even in the top 10
for WAR in the NL, and Scherzer leads.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...6/seasontype/2

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

No need to throw insults.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

That is a vastly different ranking. Interesting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If there was an award for biggest drop off the cliff, Bryce Harper would win easily. His batting average is down 90 points, his slugging average down 200, and his OPS down 300 from last year. Wow.

[packs]

I vote Trout because he leads or is in the top 3 of nearly all advanced offensive statistics while doing the same thing on defense as a center fielder. He's also having a better season this year than he did when he did win the MVP.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No need to throw insults.

wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?

I have followed the team since 1972.

I have seen the team win and lose and been just as big of fan regardless. No bandwagoner here!

The margin for " error " with this team is slim. (You obviously know the game and probably know this, so I apologize if I am telling you something you know.)

That's why the staff goes 5 or 6 innings, and the pen takes over. Our SP is not very good, and the pressure on the pen to be the best, or even " record breaking " in their effectiveness each season is unreasonable. The pen failed miserably this season.

Heading into this season 2016, widely held belief here in KC was the team was better than last year.

The 2015 team had few if any injuries. Players had career years. The pen was the very best in the game, and arguably the best in history of the game.

Hosmer was the only player to repeat the performance of 2015, and even perform a little better in 2016. Everyone else had a drop in performance. The 2016 team also dealt with major injuries from major contributors from the 2015 team.

The problem I have had with this team is their " aggressiveness " at the plate. They swing at everything, and for the past two seasons, and maybe three, KC has been among the worst teams at swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. They are also among the worst in drawing walks, and as a result, the opposing pitcher throws fewer pitches and can go deeper in the game. KC SP has thrown the fewest innings of any staff for the past 2 or three years. The talent isn't there, it's in the pen.

These are a few things that I have seen, and others in KC have too. IMO this is not a blueprint for success, at least not longterm. Too many things have to go right, hence a slim margin for error.

So, while analytics played a part in KC success, a large part required things to go " right " and lucky that players had career years and remained healthy.

What are your thoughts?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

Trout has a higher slugging average.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trout has a higher slugging average.

LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

Tell me about the Bob Evans logo. Is there a story?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

Tell me about the Bob Evans logo. Is there a story?

True that. Both have had great years. The logo? A nod to the banned Mr. Evans, naturally. Sincere or sarcastic? In the eye of the beholder.

[Paul S]

You can only work with what the pitcher is gonna give you - and my hats off to both of them for recognizing such. Trout has more walks because of the Angels anemic lineup - not a knock on Puljos, it just is. Betts gets more hits because who ate you going to pitch around in that lineup? Angels have a -33 run differential and Boston +189!

As far as Mr. Evans, This beholder's eye sees your avatar as making him a martyr for everything that is cruel and unjust about Net54

[chaddurbin]

nl cy--jofer...rip big guy may there be more players like you and less redasses like madbum and mccann.

re royals: their projection for this year had them miss the playoffs, so they are what they are...although they way overshot their projection last year. of course we all know baseball is very random and small sample size luck vary season by season...so the smart front offices are pushing .5-2% edges to tilt the math in their favors against the randomness. that's why the diamondbacks and angels will always suck as long as they keep hiring old-school guys who'd rather settle the bean ball score than actually look at l/r splits.

edit: it's also a weird take that somehow the best player is NOT the most valuable. everyone agrees trout is the best, he gives your team 10wins every year...but he's not as valuable as the other guys who measures out at 8, 7, and even 5 wins. so ortiz only gives you 5 wins, but his fiery speeches somehow makes up the other 5 wins in the standing.

[egri]

I don't know about the rookies to make a guess, but for the others:

AL
MVP: Betts
CYA: Head says Kluber, heart says Porcello, going to go with Kluber.

NL
MVP: Bryant
CYA: Scherzer

[chaddurbin]

From Bob Nightengale covering baseball for USA Today: The three finalists voted on by the players for their Player of Year Award: Jose Altuve, Mookie Betts and David Ortiz...

So this proves the people actually playing the game knows as much about baseball as a casual fan. No wonder important front office decision makers like epstein are making 10mil a year now.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

Ah, but even Fangraphs has a flaw. The pitcher who is leading the majors in Fangraphs WAR doesn't even appear on their leader chart...

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Ah, but even Fangraphs has a flaw. The pitcher who is leading the majors in Fangraphs WAR doesn't even appear on their leader chart...

check the table to the right there ,it's listing only people who qualify for the ERA title (162 innings pitched) if you lower the required innings it will show em all!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I know, but WAR is basically a counting stat and not a rate stat, the fact that someone has missed enough time to not be official but still has the highest WAR among pitchers is mind-blowing.

[bravos4evr]

true, but pitcher WAR does have some issues as it undervalues ground ball pitchers a fair bit, it's something they are trying to work on.

I tend to think that the pitcher who threw more innings with similar numbers should win. (BTW, Syndegaard tied Kershaw for WAR) BUT, I think with Sherzer's 40 more inn. pitched, half a K per 9 better rate and similar enough other stuff, he's your Cy Young winner for the NL. (tho, Syndegaard had the most 'unlucky" BABIP against which probably means he was the best pitcher overall, but no voter is going to look at that)

[FourStrikes]

Papi.

38 HR, 127 RBI, .317 BA, .625 SP, 1.028 OPS, and 48(!) freakin' doubles on a division winner, and potential WS-bound/champion team...

all this from a 40 year old gets MY vote.

JMO, and YMMV, but...one helluva "retirement" season, and seemingly valuable to his team.

DS

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[BearBailey]

Al
MVP Trout
CY Britton
Roy Fullmer

NL
MVP Arenando
CY Fernandez
Roy seager

[rats60]

AL
MVP Betts
CY Britton
ROY Fullmer

NL
MVP Bryant
CY Scherzer
ROY Seager

[Canofcorn]

AL
MVP Trout
CY Porcello
ROY Fullmer

NL
MVP Bryant
CY Scherzer
ROY Seager