Gil Hodges

jingram058 · #1 12-05-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wasn't justifying Rice, only comparing Rice to Cash. I don't mind Hodges at all, I just don't think he's a good case on the numbers.

Put the numbers aside for a minute. If there ever was a case for why he never got in, surely it was his numbers as a player. But doesn't impact on the game, on the players, on the community make up for a .273 batting average? How did lesser-caliber players get in? I just hope he makes it this time. If he doesn't, in my mind, he likely never will.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 12-05-2021, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Put the numbers aside for a minute. If there ever was a case for why he never got in, surely it was his numbers as a player. But doesn't impact on the game, on the players, on the community make up for a .273 batting average? How did lesser-caliber players get in? I just hope he makes it this time. If he doesn't, in my mind, he likely never will.

Well, he's being voted on as a player, so it seems to me his numbers as a player are first and foremost what matter. I'm not sure how one values those intangibles.

Tabe · #3 12-06-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well, he's being voted on as a player, so it seems to me his numbers as a player are first and foremost what matter. I'm not sure how one values those intangibles.

I think it would be more than a little naive to think that the committee ignored Hodges' accomplishments (though they're actually pretty lacking other than 1969) as a manager.

rjackson44 · #4 12-06-2021, 12:02 PM

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D. Bergin · #5 12-06-2021, 12:26 PM

Interesting results. Surprised so many got in, but I'm happy for them all. I'm not really in the HOF should be a super exclusive club crowd.

Happy these guys, and by proxy, their families are finally recognized.

Little sad for Dick Allen. .912 Lifetime OPS, 156 OPS+. Those are eye-popping stats for a non-HOF'er. Missed by 1 vote. I think I'd swap out Oliva or maybe even Jim Kaat if it would get Allen in.

Always had a soft spot for Kaat though. I remember being amazed as a kid at his 16 Gold Gloves during his short stint with the Yankees (I know, I know, doesn't mean quite as much as a pitcher...unless of course you've had Jon Lester on your team for awhile). He's also one of my favorite baseball announcers of all-time.

Kaat is definitely a candidate to me, of taking a guys entire history in baseball as a consideration (Bill White anyone? another great ex-Yankee announcer LOL!, among other things).

mr2686 · #6 12-06-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

I think it would be more than a little naive to think that the committee ignored Hodges' accomplishments (though they're actually pretty lacking other than 1969) as a manager.

I'm not sure how much they were lacking as a manager. He managed 2 teams, the crappy Senators and the mediocre Mets. If you look at the Senators progression under him, they made great strides every year. The Mets won 12 additional games in his first season with Seaver basically having an identical record from the year before (they did add Koosman). His last two years were solid and almost identical to the Cubs (another strong team from that era) but were up against some up and coming great teams like the Pirates (also the Reds in the opposite division). When you add this to the fact that he was the premier 1b of his era that won 3 gold gloves (would have been much more but they didn't start giving them out till 1957...almost the end of his career. He was long overdue in my book and glad he's finally in.

Tabe · #7 12-06-2021, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mr2686

I'm not sure how much they were lacking as a manager. He managed 2 teams, the crappy Senators and the mediocre Mets. If you look at the Senators progression under him, they made great strides every year. The Mets won 12 additional games in his first season with Seaver basically having an identical record from the year before (they did add Koosman). His last two years were solid and almost identical to the Cubs (another strong team from that era) but were up against some up and coming great teams like the Pirates (also the Reds in the opposite division). When you add this to the fact that he was the premier 1b of his era that won 3 gold gloves (would have been much more but they didn't start giving them out till 1957...almost the end of his career. He was long overdue in my book and glad he's finally in.

He was a manager for 9 seasons and won 84+ games once.

Yes, the Senators improved under his tenure but not "great strides every year". From 1965 to 1966, they went up 1 win. 1966 to 1967, they went up 5 wins. Full credit to him for taking over a team that was completely horrible and getting them up to semi-respectable.

Hodges deserves a lot of credit for taking the Mets to the World Series in 1969. But, if that's the case, he deserves a lot of blame for them dropping off 17 wins the next year and not improving the year after that.

None of this is to say Hodges was a bad manager but let's be honest - one World Series title and a record 93 games under .500 isn't exactly amazing. I mean, Cito Gaston won 2 titles, won 84+ games four times, and finished over .500 but nobody lists him as a managerial great.

And, again, none of this matters - Hodges was inducted as a player. So, theoretically, his managerial career shouldn't be considered at all.

jingram058 · #8 12-07-2021, 02:49 PM

Now that Gil Hodges has been selected for induction, I feel like a toy balloon that has had all the helium let out. It has been a thing for me personally for a long time. Should I now devote all of that interest and energy on Dick Allen? Who else should I root for?

Tabe · #9 12-07-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Now that Gil Hodges has been selected for induction, I feel like a toy balloon that has had all the helium let out. It has been a thing for me personally for a long time. Should I now devote all of that interest and energy on Dick Allen? Who else should I root for?

Albert Belie

dealme · #10 12-07-2021, 04:43 PM

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Now that Gil Hodges has been selected for induction, I feel like a toy balloon that has had all the helium let out. It has been a thing for me personally for a long time. Should I now devote all of that interest and energy on Dick Allen? Who else should I root for?

Tommy John...for the combination of his pitching and the surgery that bears his name. I suppose one could argue that Dr Jobe should be the one in the Hall, but someone had to have the guts to say, �Sure. Go ahead and try that on me.�

For the record, I think the Hall is watered down. However, given where the current bar is set, I think Tommy John should be in. Plus, like Gil Hodges, he�s a native Hoosier.

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Aquarian Sports Cards · #11 12-08-2021, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Now that Gil Hodges has been selected for induction, I feel like a toy balloon that has had all the helium let out. It has been a thing for me personally for a long time. Should I now devote all of that interest and energy on Dick Allen? Who else should I root for?

Rick Reuschel. Laugh first, then look up the numbers and get back to me.

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