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Bobby, in my humble opinion, this quick turnaround shows that SGC’s prices are too high. SGC having a 2-day turnaround indicates the demand for its grading services is too low. In theory, lowering the price would increase its grading demand and SGC would have a little inventory to work through.
At some point, PSA will have the backlog completed and it’s east coast facility fulling up and running. SGC will is probably waiting for that moment to drop its price. I think it will not have a choice. I like SGC, but, at least for me, $30.00 a card is too high. |
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Accurate and fair, not overly harsh, grading would seem FAR more important than turnaround time as long as that time is within reason. I frankly don't understand the obsession with turnaround time as evidenced by all the duplicative threads on the same topic, are people THAT impatient/in need of instant gratification? To me if a card comes back super fast graded one or two grades low, that's a disaster, not something to celebrate.
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Harsher grading is not better grading.
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Especially if your cards already, for the most part, sell at a discount.
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As discussed routinely here, both PSA and SGC are just killing submissions. If asked they will tell you nothing has changed. It has and it is very obvious. Only thing that SGC offers over PSA at this point is fast turnaround times and much cheaper cost per card. Neither of which are enticing to me. Selling an under graded SGC card for a strong price is virtually impossible.
And there is an obsession in our hobby with fast turnaround times. It is very overrated. Get the job done right in a reasonable amount of time for a reasonable fee. Getting all giddy over your cards coming back in 5 days is nothing I can relate to.
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PeterSpaeth- While we are on the subject of "not understanding" things, I
think you're falling into your own category. I am not "obsessed" with card grading turnarounds, I think appropriate turnaround is an expectation of people we pay in advance (!), to know their stuff. There appear to be 2 major camps at play in these grading chats. The first is people who expect their graders to get the job done before the collector dies of old age. The others, tacitly at least, put up with PSAs lag times and unpredictable grading because of hammer values. The complicating factor currently in play is both PSA/SGC seem to regard vintage as the whipping boy of the card world, and it affects consumers of both products. There's no "obsession", at least not with me- my family and job consume the vast majority of my time and this is an avocation. We are on a card forum after all, so it stands to reason that controversial or persistently unresolved topics will reoccur. This is the place for those chats, and people are free to ignore them without commenting (lest they become obsessed with commenting about the perceived obsession). Trent King |
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I qualified my statement by saying "within reason." 1.5 years (and a friend of mine and I are still waiting on a sub from early 2021) is not within reason.
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Trent as I am sure you deduced, the main point of my post, by which I stand, is that IMO fair grading is much more important than turnaround times, within reason. Do you disagree?
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Peter- Well, I believe fair grading is more important, but I feel confident
saying many posters don't agree with your sentiment. Between PSA and SGC, strictly regarding "fairness" of grading, it's my opinion that SGC is far more consistent than PSA ever has been. Does that make SGC more fair? I'd say yes; however, even they have fallen into this trap of seeing who can be harshest/finest in their grading, like it's a badge of honor in some game no one else wants to play. Their relative speed is a bonus. I'll stand by my comments about "obsession", though. Sports cards enthusiasts and sports fans (people who can talk the sport, not just the card) tend to be passionate folks. Within the small context of this hobby, the wait times and "moving the goalpost" grading standards are issues that continue to frustrate many collectors; however, it's not even close to an obsession. It's a first world problem that sure beats talking about work life, but I'm not on the verge of becoming Private Pyle from "Full Metal Jacket" over it. Trent King |
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I agree with that assessment. My point is that, when customers have no idea about turnaround time, there's no way to know whether or not it will be "within reason". Whether SGC's turnaround is 5 days or 5 months, at least it seems like I can trust knowing ahead of time that that's what it will be, unlike PSA.
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Correct....we sent one in around Fed/March of 2021 that didn't get officially entered until May.....still outstanding......outstanding as in, not completed.
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Answering this question requires knowing the submitter’s intent. A business/flipper may require a quick turnaround time to maintain cash flow to pay overhead. Cards do not make money sitting in a warehouse at PSA for over a year. However, a PC submitter has the luxury of waiting.
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