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<a href="https://www.ebay.com/b/Football-Sports-Trading-Cards-Accessories/212/bn_2313620?_sop=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338821054&customid=footballcards&toolid=10001&mkevt=1" target=_blank>Football Cards on eBay</a><br>


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But slabbing changes everything.  Yes, it does make it not fraud, because once slabbed, the perception of value from slab and flip negates the prior fraud.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nConstruct a poll to determine how many set registry guys would give up cards if they knew they were trimmed.  I would bet more would keep them than not.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>You believe that if a fraudster gets an Authenticator to sign off on it, and people then believe the Authenticator, it is no longer fraud?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI can only imagine how many fraudsters in prison would love to learn this information.  If you fool someone, it becomes okay.  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Slabbed.  Shocking though it is, I observe that people don\'t care.  Card gets outed, registry set owner doesn\'t care because they have the flip in their registry.  I flip your last sentence back at you.  <img src="forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> Pun intended.<br />\n<br />\nOr guy needs a PSA 9 for his registry.  He\'ll pay the same for a PSA 9 even if you tell him it\'s trimmed.  The flip is what he wants.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Peter_Spaeth</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2404290#post2404290" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">No.  I accept your premise even if Travis does not.  But slabbing changes everything.  Yes, it does make it not fraud, because once slabbed, the perception of value from slab and flip negates the prior fraud.<br />\n<br />\nConstruct a poll to determine how many set registry guys would give up cards if they knew they were trimmed.  I would bet more would keep them than not.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I\'d still quibble with your premise that set registry owners don\'t care if they discover that one of their PSA 9 cards is trimmed, and therefore should\'ve been slabbed as altered.<br />\n<br />\nEven if we assume that the registry owners wouldn\'t remove the PSA 9 from the set, all it proves is that registry owners will act in their self-interest and carry on the ruse for reputation and money, rather than take the bullet for the original card doctor and the corrupt and/or negligent third-party grader. <br />\n<br />\nInstead of polling registry owners to see how many would give up the cards they knew were trimmed, poll them to see how many would replace the outed PSA 9 with a legit one, if presented with the option at no additional cost. Or ask how many would\'ve paid the same price for the outed PSA 9 if they had known it was trimmed. Those kinds of questions are a better gauge of materiality for fraud purposes. <br />\n<br />\nThe counterargument that slabbing changes the perception of value doesn\'t negate the materiality element of fraud; it speaks more to damages.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by gunboat82; 01-13-2024 at <span class="time">05:53 AM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n						Reason: Typo\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2404329" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2404329 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2404329_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">gunboat82</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=1008071">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=1008071" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to gunboat82</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="https://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/gunboat82/vintage-baseball">Visit gunboat82\'s homepage!</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=1008071" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by gunboat82</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2404329 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2404329 -' + '->';
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It\'s the majority of cards in every top registry set on the entire PSA registry. It\'s all a facade. Every single one of those cards are either laughably over graded, trimmed, or both. So learning the truth means that most of their cards are altered, but so are everyone else\'s. That\'s the rub. And that\'s why most of them won\'t care anyhow even if they learned it. You either play that silly registry game or you don\'t. And for those who do choose to compete on the registry, they\'re all buying flips, not cards. If they were interested in cards, they\'d all be looking for centered copies with high eye appeal rather than these diamond cut cards with print lines that magically made their way into PSA 9 holders and 10s that have 1/8" between the card borders and the bumpers inside the holders.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2404369" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2404369 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2404369_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Snowman</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=751859">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=751859" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Snowman</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2404369 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2404369 -' + '->';
pd[2404457] = '<!-' + '- post #2404457 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2404457" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2404457" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2404457&amp;postcount=4" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2404457" name="4"><strong>4</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2404457"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				01-13-2024, 03:24 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			<td class="alt2"><a href="member.php?u=43"><img src="image.php?u=43&amp;dateline=1695831996"   alt="Peter_Spaeth\'s Avatar" border="0" /></a></td>\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2404457">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=43">Peter_Spaeth</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Peter_Spaeth is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2404457", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nPeter Spaeth\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Member\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Apr 2009</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 34,223\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2404457">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2404457">\r\n			\r\n			<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Snowman</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2404369#post2404369" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">The reality though is that it\'s not just a few cards here or there. It\'s the majority of cards in every top registry set on the entire PSA registry. It\'s all a facade. Every single one of those cards are either laughably over graded, trimmed, or both. So learning the truth means that most of their cards are altered, but so are everyone else\'s. That\'s the rub. And that\'s why most of them won\'t care anyhow even if they learned it. You either play that silly registry game or you don\'t. And for those who do choose to compete on the registry, they\'re all buying flips, not cards. If they were interested in cards, they\'d all be looking for centered copies with high eye appeal rather than these diamond cut cards with print lines that magically made their way into PSA 9 holders and 10s that have 1/8" between the card borders and the bumpers inside the holders.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>It angers and saddens me that we have come to this point, But I think you are right about the extent of alterations and overgrading.  And given the choice between, say, a POS 8 and a goregous 6, the registry guy will take the 8 every single time.  As I like to say, the flip is the commodity.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2404457" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2404457 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2404457_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2404457 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2404457 -' + '->';
pd[2404371] = '<!-' + '- post #2404371 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2404371" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2404371" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2404371&amp;postcount=5" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2404371" name="5"><strong>5</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2404371"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				01-13-2024, 10:45 AM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2404371">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=751859">Snowman</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="Snowman is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2404371", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\nTravis\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Tra,vis Tr,ail - Banned\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Jul 2021</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 2,446\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2404371">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2404371">\r\n			\r\n			<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>gunboat82</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2404329#post2404329" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">Instead of polling registry owners to see how many would give up the cards they knew were trimmed, poll them to see how many would replace the outed PSA 9 with a legit one, if presented with the option at no additional cost. Or ask how many would\'ve paid the same price for the outed PSA 9 if they had known it was trimmed. Those kinds of questions are a better gauge of materiality for fraud purposes.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I think that\'s a better argument, but you still run into a problem once you learn that the PSA 9 you replaced it with is also trimmed. And so is the next one in line. 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Or ask how many would\'ve paid the same price for the outed PSA 9 if they had known it was trimmed. Those kinds of questions are a better gauge of materiality for fraud purposes. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe counterargument that slabbing changes the perception of value doesn\'t negate the materiality element of fraud; it speaks more to damages.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I think it\'s a fair argument that if something has no effect on value, it ain\'t material.  I suppose you could go down the rabbit hole of a concept we sometimes see in law called qualitative materiality, but that\'s a reach.  Here is a hypo for you, in the spirit of those you proposed.  Ask a registry owner with a trimmed 9 if he is willing to pay MORE for one that isn\'t and replace it.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2404454" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2404454 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2404454_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2404454 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2404454 -' + '->';
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But slabbing changes everything.  Yes, it does make it not fraud, because once slabbed, the perception of value from slab and flip negates the prior fraud.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nConstruct a poll to determine how many set registry guys would give up cards if they knew they were trimmed.  I would bet more would keep them than not.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I think registry guys are mostly oblivious to trimming issues, and believe, simply, that if a card is graded it can\'t be trimmed. Otherwise why would PSA give it a grade?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nYes, of course the holder sanitizes the fraud, because most collectors trust PSA. Trimmed cards are not an issue they think applies to them. 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There’s a reason I can win sharp looking trim jobs and not the sharp looking allegedly untrimmed cards - the price difference is enormous.  We all know perfectly well that the untrimmed card will outsell the honestly listed trimmed card without the slabs.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nIt only has the same value when there is the appeal to the company’s alleged expertise, when there is a cover and the fraud has succeeded.  That I got something by an expert is not a defense of innocence and no crime in any other area that I can think of. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThat is why I said, several time in both posts, whether the graders are tricked OR complicit, stating either option.  If the grader knows and is complicit that makes this argument even less sensible - a conspiracy to defraud among the grader and a trimmer to defraud is not a reason it is not fraud.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>You keep referring to cards "presented honestly", as if that\'s even relevant to its market value. A card\'s true history is unknown and unknowable to the market. This romantic idea that a historical record of everything that has happened to a card in the past somehow can (or should) follow it throughout it\'s life is nothing more than wishful thinking. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI could easily find you two copies of the same card in similar condition, one which has been trimmed and the other which has not, where the trimmed copy would pass grading nearly every time and the untrimmed copy would get rejected nearly every time. In this circumstance, the market dictates that the trimmed card is worth more than the untrimmed card. 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pd[2404292] = '<!-' + '- post #2404292 -' + '->\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- open content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<div align="center">\r\n	<div class="page" style="width:100%; text-align:left">\r\n		<div style="padding:0px 25px 0px 25px" align="left">\r\n\r\n	<div id="edit2404292" style="padding:0px 0px 6px 0px">\r\n	<!-' + '- this is not the last post shown on the page -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<table class="tborder" id="post2404292" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="100%" align="center">\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="thead" >\r\n		<div class="normal" style="float:right">\r\n			&nbsp;\r\n			#<a href="showpost.php?p=2404292&amp;postcount=11" target="new" rel="nofollow" id="postcount2404292" name="11"><strong>11</strong></a> &nbsp;\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n		<div class="normal">\r\n			<!-' + '- status icon and date -' + '->\r\n			<a name="post2404292"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/post_old.gif" alt="Old" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n				01-12-2024, 09:58 PM\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / status icon and date -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	<td class="alt2" style="padding:0px">\r\n		<!-' + '- user info -' + '->\r\n		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6" border="0" width="100%">\r\n		<tr>\r\n			\r\n			<td nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div id="postmenu_2404292">\r\n					\r\n					<a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=617532">G1911</a>\r\n					<img class="inlineimg" src="images/statusicon/user_offline.gif" alt="G1911 is offline" border="0" />\r\n\r\n\r\n					<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2404292", true); <\/scr' + 'ipt>\r\n					\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n<div class="smallfont">\r\n				Gr.eg McCl.@y\r\n</div>\r\n				\r\n				\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n			<td width="100%">&nbsp;</td>\r\n			<td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap">\r\n\r\n				<div class="smallfont">\r\n					<div>Join Date: Dec 2015</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>\r\n						Posts: 7,497\r\n					</div>\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					\r\n					<div>    </div>\r\n				</div>\r\n\r\n			</td>\r\n		</tr>\r\n		</table>\r\n		<!-' + '- / user info -' + '->\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n<tr>\r\n	\r\n	<td class="alt1" id="td_post_2404292">\r\n		\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n			<!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<img class="inlineimg" src="forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" alt="Default" border="0" />\r\n				\r\n			</div>\r\n			<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n			<!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n		<div id="post_message_2404292">\r\n			\r\n			<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>Snowman</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2404288#post2404288" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">You keep referring to cards "presented honestly", as if that\'s even relevant to its market value. A card\'s true history is unknown and unknowable to the market. This romantic idea that a historical record of everything that has happened to a card in the past somehow can (or should) follow it throughout it\'s life is nothing more than wishful thinking. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nI could easily find you two copies of the same card in similar condition, one which has been trimmed and the other which has not, where the trimmed copy would pass grading nearly every time and the untrimmed copy would get rejected nearly every time. In this circumstance, the market dictates that the trimmed card is worth more than the untrimmed card. The market determines card values. Not you.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>When did I argue that card values are not set by actual sales?  What?<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAgain, for those who cannot even follow a three to four sentence argument, I have written the premises and conclusion several times. 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What?<br />\n<br />\nAgain, for those who cannot even follow a three to four sentence argument, I have written the premises and conclusion several times. The raw example is to set that it is material; as when honestly presented the trimmed copy is worth less.  There&#8217;s a reason I win the trimmed sharp looking card and not the one that&#8217;s not altered.  There&#8217;s a reason the fraudsters don&#8217;t sell it as trimmed.  If it had the same value, why lie?  It establishes materiality.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>What\'s material for raw does not translate any more to slabbed.  This is not hard to understand.  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They are sold honestly; with the small trimmed strip included alongside the rest of the card.  We all know which one is worth more and will sell for more.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nA trimmed card is only as valuable as an untrimmed card if a grading company doesn\'t catch it or corruptly grades it anyway and there is a perception that the card is unaltered or many people will believe it to be and thus can be suckered into paying more for it when the owner flips it.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>You\'re still overlooking the most important aspect though. Is the trimmed card identifiable as such? Does it bear evidence of trimming? The card itself. Not some piece of paper shaving sitting next to it, not some eyewitness account of someone claiming they saw it happen, not even a signed confession. The only thing that matters with respect to the market value of the card is whether or not it <i>presents</i> as trimmed. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>G1911</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2404239#post2404239" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">If I make a fake diamond and sneak my fake past an expert, it\'s still a fake that is worth less and I commit fraud if I sell it as original, because that is a material fact I am hiding to deceive a buyer and make more money.  We don\'t say it is not fraud because the fraud was successful and an alleged expert was tricked.  I can\'t think of an example where the success of a fraud scheme makes it not fraud.  Tricking a corporation, or their complicity in the scheme, does not make something not fraud.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>This isn\'t even remotely analogous to the topic of trimmed cards. 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Is the trimmed card identifiable as such? Does it bear evidence of trimming? The card itself. Not some piece of paper shaving sitting next to it, not some eyewitness account of someone claiming they saw it happen, not even a signed confession. The only thing that matters with respect to the market value of the card is whether or not it <i>presents</i> as trimmed. <br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis isn\'t even remotely analogous to the topic of trimmed cards. There is a world of difference between a trimmed card and a counterfeit card.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Your long stated position that if PSA lets it by the card doesn’t bear evidence of trimming and thus it isn’t trimmed ins by meaningful sense because they missed it sophistry of the first order.  You just go with whatever setup excuses fraud.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe analogy is a material fact being dishonestly presented.  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You just go with whatever setup excuses fraud.<br />\n<br />\nThe analogy is a material fact being dishonestly presented.  Change it to any exact setup you would like.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>You still don\'t get it. <b>PSA makes no such claim about whether a card has indeed been trimmed or not.</b> They only make claims about whether or not a card <b>bears evidence</b> of trimming. 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You do understand the difference, right?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>They grade trimmed cards as altered.  The number grade means they don’t believe it to be trimmed, allegedly.   They sell an opinion, NOTHING WHATSOEVER do they say is 100% true or false, for ass covering reasons.  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I\'m merely pointing out the reality of the situation. And the reality is that most people don\'t care as long as a card passes grading, and that there are millions of trimmed cards that are completely undetectable even by the best and most experienced graders. 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Just because some intentionally anonymous guy on the internet found some before and after pics of a card sold by XYZ123 that was purchased 3 years prior by VCP masked ID **Z doesn\'t mean that Joe the Plumber is a card trimmer. And just because some fraudster that has a YouTube channel where he calls people out and publishes a "secret list from an insider" doesn\'t many anyone, let alone everyone, on that list is also a card trimmer.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nI\'m not saying that all those accused are innocent. Surely, some are not. <b>But it shouldn\'t be Probstein\'s job to hold a trial on every hobbyist that gets blasted by hobby clowns on social media.</b> And it wouldn\'t even do anything anyway. If someone were banned from consigning cards with Probstein, they\'d just have their spouse, brother, weed dealer, brother, sister, or pastor send it in for them.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>This 100 percent. 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The bottom line for me, is the eye appeal.....if the eye appeal is good to me, it doesn\'t really matter if it might be trimmed; I know I like the card, but I do not know for certain that it is trimmed.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nBasically, for me, if the eye appeal outweighs the possibility of trimming, then I would probably enjoy having the card.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nSteve</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><br />\r\nWell, the eye appeal thing makes sense, but the trimming part most are referencing has to do with cards that are receiving high numerical grades which translates to $$$$ (many cases it\'s not petty cash).  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nThere\'s a lot in play.  Start with "ethics:  Those that trim for the purpose of deception; grading companies that turn a blind eye; sellers that don\'t give a crap; investors that only care about making a buck and don\'t care about the hobby impacts.   <br />\r\n<br />\r\nProceed to FRAUD.   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I do my best to avoid cards that have been "outed" on the Blowout board or that look trimmed to my eye, and I only buy from reputable auction houses.  But at this point, it is <strike>possible</strike> probable that I have some trimmed cards.  I don\'t have the heart to research every one and it makes me wary of buying any more cards in higher condition.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAfter Blowout started posting before/after photos of trimmed cards, I was contacted by PWCC and they offered to buy back the cards they sold me that were listed (I got an email from them about each card).  I can\'t remember, but this was maybe two or three Leafs in total.  I also found an E card that was listed and they bought that back as well.  I am guessing this was in 2019 or 2020.  I have not had this happen with other sellers.  Of course, PWCC was the one selling the trimmed cards in the first place, so that doesn\'t absolve them.  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I do my best to avoid cards that have been "outed" on the Blowout board or that look trimmed to my eye, and I only buy from reputable auction houses.  But at this point, it is <strike>possible</strike> probable that I have some trimmed cards.  I don\'t have the heart to research every one and it makes me wary of buying any more cards in higher condition.<br />\r\n<br />\r\n<b>After Blowout started posting before/after photos of trimmed cards, I was contacted by PWCC and they offered to buy back the cards they sold me that were listed (I got an email from them about each card). </b> I can\'t remember, but this was maybe two or three Leafs in total.  I also found an E card that was listed and they bought that back as well.  I am guessing this was in 2019 or 2020.  I have not had this happen with other sellers.  Of course, PWCC was the one selling the trimmed cards in the first place, so that doesn\'t absolve them.  But at least they bought back the cards they sold me that had been publicly identified as trimmed or altered.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Good thing the "<i>Hobby Clowns</i>" (according to the Snowman here) brought needed awareness to this fraud, or you never would have been refunded.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nAside from those "Hobby Clowns", the only other reason you got refunded was that another Board Member here (who legally represented PWCC while the FBI was investigating them) advised Brent to offer full refunds on all the altered cards that were exposed.  He probably kept Brent out of jail in doing so.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe "Hobby Clowns" put in countless hours (with no pay and no benefit to themselves) to expose the blatant fraud, and still probably caught less than 5% of the doctored cards out there. The hundreds of hours and level of detail they had to dig into was overwhelming. 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He probably kept Brent out of jail in doing so.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThe "Hobby Clowns" put in countless hours (with no pay and no benefit to themselves) to expose the blatant fraud, and still probably caught less than 5% of the doctored cards out there. The hundreds of hours and level of detail they had to dig into was overwhelming. So to see them demeaned in a thread like this is misguided and imbecilic.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Yes, I really should thank the Blowout crowd and the lawyer who advised PWCC to offer refunds.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				My avatar is a drawing of a 1958 Topps Hank Aaron by my daughter.  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He probably kept Brent out of jail in doing so.<br />\n<br />\nThe "Hobby Clowns" put in countless hours (with no pay and no benefit to themselves) to expose the blatant fraud, and still probably caught less than 5% of the doctored cards out there. The hundreds of hours and level of detail they had to dig into was overwhelming. So to see them demeaned in a thread like this is misguided and imbecilic.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Again, I was not referring to BODA when I said "hobby clowns". <br />\n<br />\nBrent likely could have represented himself and nothing would have happened to him. An auction house selling graded cards that trimmers consigned is very clearly not a crime. Even if they knew about it. <br />\n<br />\nIn fact, I\'ll take that a step further. I believe Brent could have sat on the witness stand and openly admitted to trimming cards himself, getting them regraded, putting a "PWCC-S" eye appeal sticker on it, and reselling it on his platform for massive profits and he still wouldn\'t have been convicted of committing a crime.<br />\n<br />\n"Less than 5%" lol. Yes, 0.00001 is less than 5. 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Rick doesn’t care if a graded card in his collection is trimmed (and not graded as such).</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Oh man! If I was the owner of that high-grade 52T Mantle (he showed in the video) and I later found out that it was trimmed ... <img src="forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" /><img src="forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" /><img src="forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" /><img src="forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" /> That would hurt!!! 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			We hold those that sell and deal in the cards we care about to such a low standard that all these shenanigans are accepted…as long as the item is shipped quickly &#129315;<br />
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Other hobbies/industries have an established set of ethics that must be upheld to continue to be part of the community…<br />
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This industry is NOT one of those. We accept card-doctors, liars, cheaters, thieves, pumpers-dumpers and all around sleaze-balls.<br />
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