Simple Poll: PSA 5 w/ Crease -- Disclose?

[barrysloate]

Hi Leon- spooning will cause a shiny spot, but I have heard stories (maybe they aren't true) of creases coming back some time after they were spooned out.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Hi Leon- spooning will cause a shiny spot, but I have heard stories (maybe they aren't true) of creases coming back some time after they were spooned out.

Exactly and that shiny spot would still be there, regardless. That was my point as I didn't see any instance of that from the large scan. I think it just got missed....Graders are human, and while it shouldn't happen, it does and will continue.

[T206Collector]

Spooning is to crease removal as scissors are to trimming.

Really good crease removal is done without a spoon and does not leave a shiny spot; same as really good trimming is not done with common household scissors.

Whether a crease can return is anyone's guess, but I don't think so. The more logical explanation is that PSA missed the wrinkle.

[mrvster]

Hey everyone

absolutely disclose....the cooler we are as collectors to each other, to treat each other with respect, and be honest about our cards(we can't take 'em with us), the better the hobby will become..

I want my son one day(waiting still to have one thats why i am able to buy a few cards LOL) to enjoy my passion like i have since i was a child......this hobby needs to be weeded out of fraud.....i believe reputation is everything!!we all make mistakes, and if some collectors would actually admit when they did something wrong, or just shady behavoir, i'm sure other collectors would accecpt them back...noone is perfect.....some of these collectors who have tarnished their rep should come forward and say, "hey guys, i was a dxck, i screwed up and ect ect, please give me another chance."....admit when they did something stupid, and move on...sure we can forgive and maybe not forget, but everyone imo deserves a second chance...(must be the Libra in me)

IMO- i would not even really touch a card at all, the way it came, is the way it would come/go....


if a card is labeled wrong, or missed graded, or a wrinkle is spotted and not disclosed, and the seller is aware of it, it's just shady to me....

thanks for listening to me spew, this is something i feel pretty strong about..


BTW- i would like to thank all of you fellow collectors who i consider friends for making my hobby as enjoyable as it is to me, for helping with my collecting...and for meeting some great friends and awesome people


Peace

Johnny V

[bobbyw8469]

This is one that I recently won from Heritage auctions. I can't believe I missed it. If you were me, would you be happy with this card????

[barrysloate]

Looks like they took a little too much off the top. Also looks like the Duke is sporting a little facial hair. What's the deal with that one?

[bobbyw8469]

LOL...It's not trimmed, and there is no facial hair. I am talking about the Lake Michigan type stain/discoloring that is taking up the left half of the card!!!!! Look at the top border and notice where the stain starts and then follow it all the way down to the bottom border.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This is one that I recently won from Heritage auctions. I can't believe I missed it. If you were me, would you be happy with this card????

That is a classic! Wouldn't be happy at all with the grading company or a seller/auction house that did not disclose the obvious stain. Maybe you should have caught it but that does not relieve either of the other parties of their obligation to catch it or to point it out IMO. I can see how it would be easier for the seller to have missed it than the grading company.

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

That is a classic! Wouldn't be happy at all with the grading company or a seller/auction house that did not disclose the obvious stain. Maybe you should have caught it but that does not relieve either of the other parties of their obligation to catch it or to point it out IMO. I can see how it would be easier for the seller to have missed it than the grading company.

Wow! Sorry for the raw deal on that card. Are the cases water proof? I was wondering if that stain happened after grading.

[iggyman]

One of my pet peeves is with auction houses and graded card lots. Purchasing a single lot of graded cards from major/minor auctions is always a crap shoot. They usually don't show you all the cards, the pictures are sometimes tiny, and nothing about an over graded card in the lot is ever glowingly disclosed. Consequently, you occasionally end-up with some graded cards that were obviously way over graded and included in the lot because they wouldn't have brought much $$$ (for the grade) as a single card lot. You really don't have much recourse with the auction house, so you end-up being somewhat screwed. One day, when I become mayor (or become a major) I will outlaw this practice.

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