Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[Peter_Spaeth]

Judge for yourself.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=134

[Peter_Spaeth]

And this is the Jackie he references.

Disturbing, if true.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=130

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And this is the Jackie he references.

Disturbing, if true.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=130

LOL, seriously do more than 3 people care? If you are buying a PSA 9 vintage card you know it is altered or you have your head buried so deep only your toes stick out.

[scooter729]

At least the altered Irvin card was shipped quickly!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by scooter729

At least the altered Irvin card was shipped quickly!

Zing!

Funny ML pulled one of my graded consignments based on a board members opinion to authenticity. Maybe if they'd known before they could have pulled this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Zing!

Funny ML pulled one of my graded consignments based on a board members opinion to authenticity. Maybe if they'd known before they could have pulled this.

Not to single anyone out because most do it, but if you're willing to accept consignments from people with bad reputations or who have now been specifically outed, then inevitably you are going to get some bad cards.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, seriously do more than 3 people care? If you are buying a PSA 9 vintage card you know it is altered or you have your head buried so deep only your toes stick out.

If I was an innocent buyer who learned about this blasphemy, I might have a few sharp question for ML.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

If I was an innocent buyer who learned about this blasphemy, I might have a few sharp question for ML.

The slab and flip give auction houses the perfect cover. It's a rigged game.

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, seriously do more than 3 people care? If you are buying a PSA 9 vintage card you know it is altered or you have your head buried so deep only your toes stick out.

This times x1000

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And this is the Jackie he references.

Disturbing, if true.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=130

That's a reflection on what he's calling a rebuilt upper right corner.

Here's a different image from another sale of the same card.
53 Robinson.jpg

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Pat R

That's a reflection on what he's calling a rebuilt upper right corner.

Here's a different image from another sale of the same card.
Attachment 589494

This is not a rebuilt corner on this 53 Topps Jackie PSA 6. That's not missing paper in the scans. It's a bent corner and the light is reflecting off it in a way that makes it appear like it's missing paper. But it's not. This card has simply been soaked in water and dried flat. That bend would go away just by soaking it in water.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Snowman

This is not a rebuilt corner on this 53 Topps Jackie PSA 6. That's not missing paper in the scans. It's a bent corner and the light is reflecting off it in a way that makes it appear like it's missing paper. But it's not. This card has simply been soaked in water and dried flat. That bend would go away just by soaking it in water.

I know and that's why I posted a different image of the card. I despise the card doctors and scammers in the hobby but I think they're getting carried away with some of the so called alterations that they are pointing out on blowout. The only thing you can prove from the scans of the Jackie card is that it received a grade bump. I don't see a bent corner that you're seeing either.

I'm all for pointing out alterations and outing the guy's that are altering the cards but if they don't limit it to definitive proof they lose credibility IMO.

[JustinD]

This is the result of the investors beginning to outnumber the collectors. A quick perusal of Blowout Forum (flipper central) will net you a an 80/20 positive thought level on card doctoring. The history is backseat to the profit margin.

Sadly as technology progresses this is what I believe will kill the hobby and many more. I envision a 15-20 window before advancement steps up to repair or create such perfect replicas that they will be virtually indistinguishable from original. The TPGs will be rendered useless and it money for purists will possibly flip to low mid grades in the oldest holsters possible. Who knows, but technology will kill history

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Judge for yourself.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=134

Not gonna judge because this is the hobby in 2023. Not ever sure who is to blame either. I just know it is not for me but not a shock either. I would love to be able to conclude that it does not impact me, directly but this kinda shit happens on valuable lower grade stuff too.

The irony since this exact house just had 3 or 4 threads dedicated to it and filled with posts by members here who could not be any more effusive with compliments.

Gonna have to start paying more attention to that board it is better suited to watchdog posts like that.

[Exhibitman]

I should be shocked and scandalized and should say it is a



day for the hobby, but given what is now reams of evidence of doctoring on postwar high numbered slabs, my reaction is really more



The risks and consequences are known, like smoking, and if someone still is willing to go there and winds up with an altered card, instead of outrage, I am at the



stage.

The best way to deal with this stuff is to not play in the first place. Just don't.

[Bored5000]

On a percentage basis, that Monte Irvin has to be tough to beat of any doctored card -- from $50 to $30,000.

[D. Bergin]

LOL, I’m having a hard time getting 3’s and 4’s on seemingly very well preserved cards. How the hell are the grading companies still handing out 9’s on 53 Topps, without being suspicious of it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

LOL, I’m having a hard time getting 3’s and 4’s on seemingly very well preserved cards. How the hell are the grading companies still handing out 9’s on 53 Topps, without being suspicious of it?

Once more, with feeling. All submitters are equal. Some submitters are more equal than others.

[Snapolit1]

Let’s all say it loud and with feeling …..

Cards*that*are*70, or 80, or 100 years old*will*not*naturally*exist*in*pristine*condition *

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

LOL, I’m having a hard time getting 3’s and 4’s on seemingly very well preserved cards. How the hell are the grading companies still handing out 9’s on 53 Topps, without being suspicious of it?

THAT's the real IRONY

There giving them to somebody, though we're not in on the GAG