Erasing a light pencil mark, altering in a negative manner?

[Cardboard Junkie]

You altered the cobb by meatball. You attempted to diminish the damage by cleaning some off. When the meatball hit the card...the card was altered.....by cleaning it you tried to diminish the damage by furthur alteration, ( even though the result would probably have more eye appeal).
A card was altered when the pencil mark was placed there.
Erasing the pencil mark is trying to diminish the damage.
All alterations of cards are unacceptable to me.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

You altered the cobb by meatball. You attempted to diminish the damage by cleaning some off. When the meatball hit the card...the card was altered.....by cleaning it you tried to diminish the damage by furthur alteration, ( even though the result would probably have more eye appeal).
A card was altered when the pencil mark was placed there.
Erasing the pencil mark is trying to diminish the damage.
All alterations of cards are unacceptable to me.

David, it seems to me that what you are really saying is that all minimizations of alterations to cards are unacceptable to you. FWIW, I happen to respecfully disagree with you.
Val

[pcoz]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

You altered the cobb by meatball. You attempted to diminish the damage by cleaning some off. When the meatball hit the card...the card was altered.....by cleaning it you tried to diminish the damage by furthur alteration, ( even though the result would probably have more eye appeal).
A card was altered when the pencil mark was placed there.
Erasing the pencil mark is trying to diminish the damage.
All alterations of cards are unacceptable to me.

Dave, at least I know you won't be bidding on my Mack Old Put if it ever leaves my collection LOL. I appreciate your view, but respectively disagree. Wiping off dirt or anything that was not on the card originally is not altering the card. It's not changing the color, size or being deceitful in any way IMO. SGC are extremely professional, and are completely objective in their views. I respect the way they grade cards and try their best to be a reliable resource for all of us. I'm sticking with their views on this, and they happen to be mine as well.

[barrysloate]

So what you're saying Dave is it would be more ethical if I left the tomato sauce to harden onto the card's surface? If so, I hope the sauce falls on my red Cobb instead so that it might in fact blend into the background.

[jimross]

What about removing the date stamp from the recent REA Wagner? I am sure it would bump a grade or two higher.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Hi Barry....Of course not, if it was my cobb I probably would have dashed to the sink and showered that sauce off. I am saying that the original sauce was what altered the card (like the original pencil mark) diminishing that sauce is like erasing the pencil mark (probably with much less sucessful results). Come to think of it, isn't it strange that restoration in comic books and in classic cars is considered ok yet in coins and stamps it is not ok. To me altering a card is not ok. And altering one and getting it bumped up by a tpg is dispicable. (sp?) Aloha Dave.