Arod Ties Gehrig

[esd10]

the record he set tonight is stained with steroids

[Jay Wolt]

Quite the feat

[Seiklis]

Thought Manny had it easy, but he broke down faster than I expected

Hats off to Arod

[irishdenny]

Although I am Not an ARod Hater...
Lou did it with the Babe in Front of Him!

However, Tieing Lou Gehrig under any conditions is still "BRILLIANT".

I Love this Game...

[Tomman1961]

Sorry. No "Hat's Off "to Alex Rodriguez. A user. He is a disgrace. This is why I collect pre-WW2 cards. As the years go by I get increasingly disenchanted with baseball of today. I could ramble on about Lou. CLASS. Him tying this record disgusts me.

[packs]

I'm on the who cares side of this. A-rod is a cheater. He should be ashamed of himself and so should any sports writer who mentions his name next to Gehrig's. Lou was a true champion who played with grace and determination. A-rod is a cheater without any respect for the history or tradition of the game that allows him to make a living. It would be like if some cheater broke Aaron's record. Oh, wait a second....

[yanks12025]

I can't believe how many of you are grumpy over this. I know a-rod cheated and I hate that he did, but it's still amazing to hit 23 grand slams. With the most home runs, I hate Barry Bonds. Also Gehrig is my favorite player!

Also to the user who said we should take stats away from the years they used, so do we take away wins from the teams because they may not have won from if it wasn't for their runs.

[drc]

According to my unbiased calculations, if he didn't use steroids ARod would have had -3 grand slams.

[Vegas-guy]

This thread makes laugh!! All you "haters"!!! did some people use "performance enhancing drugs" YES! Is it wrong YES! now that being said the players still have to be talented! Could they have done it without? Who knows??? And sure there are a great many players that did it all by the book. BUT how many of the other players (pre record keeping the way it is now) cheated in some way??? How is it so different from a pitcher scuffing, spitting or tampering with the ball? We all know it happened, and what about all the thing we dont know! Now maybe that's not a drug but it's still a way of trying to get an edge!

They were all part of a time in history and new things will happen in the future, take it for what it is and relax! Just enjoy the game..

Just my .02 cents..

[drc]

I disclose that I dislike both ARod and the Yankees. However, I would have similar sentiments for any player who used steroids . . . Unless the player was on my team. But that's a given. Those home runs ARod hit for the Mariners? Those were on the up and up. It was Arlington that made him turn bad.

(For those who don't realize, I live in Seattle. My jokes require context.)

[HRBAKER]

He cheated, he lied about it and he hit 23 grand slams. Good for him.
Nobody is saying he's not talented. It was he who must have thought he wasn't talented enough.

Oh I forgot, as we learned earlier in the thread, ALL of the pitchers were using too.

[packs]

There was a cool PED article in the last Sports Illustrated. It followed 4 players drafted into the same system (Twins) one of which used PEDs. Three of the four topped out at Triple A. One of the four had a 4 year major league career and was on a World Series championship team.

[Splinte1941]

Fortunately for Gehrig, his record will stand in the eyes of common sense and fairness, and reality. He didn't need to take PED's to hit any of his 23 grand slams.

[dabigyankeeman]

Originally Posted by esd10

the record he set tonight is stained with steroids

While i am not as much against the steroid players as most people are, i do agree that setting a career record when you played many years on steroids makes it totally tainted.

To me, Gehrig has the "clean" record, and A-Rod has the "steroid era" record. Since they are both Yankees, we now own TWO records!!

[brookdodger55]

A Rod 23*

[barrysloate]

What about Fernando Tatis's record of two grand slams in one inning? To break it you would have to hit three.

[majordanby]

most if not all pitching records set in the pre war will not be touched simply because of how the game has evolved. unless we see old timey baseball make a comeback (which likely wont happen given the casual fan's predilections for the long ball), those records are nearly set in stone. now, post war pitching records - those are not unassailable. Ryan's K record is tough to beat - but, look at the top 10 in all time strikeouts - only one pre war pitcher (walter johnson). numbers 2 and 3 pitched as recently as 6 years ago.

[majordanby]

What about Fernando Tatis's record of two grand slams in one inning? To break it you would have to hit three

the most amazing thing about that is he hit both off the same damn pitcher!

[oldjudge]

Good point--- my apologies

[yanks12025]

Also what if we learned cal used steriods, does Gehrig get the streak back. Im just using an example, not saying he ever did.

[travrosty]

A pundit once (i cant remember if it was bert sugar or not) said that the safest record is pete gray playing with one arm, because i doubt we are gong to see someone play with no arms.

[packs]

If you cheated it's too late to take anything away from you. However, if you cheated I don't think your accomplishments should be recognized. To me, that is a much tougher blow to a cheater's ego than labeling him a cheater and still recognizing his stats. Imagine the look on Bonds' face when he hears Aaron is the all time home run king. He'd say, "I broke his record" while the rest of baseball officially says "No you didn't."