Black Swamp Find?

wonkaticket · #1 06-22-2012, 02:12 PM

Say what you will about HA but the best scans in the biz.

Great card....not a 10...but amazing card. Scott M is still king of the E98's IMO.

wonkaticket · #2 06-22-2012, 02:12 PM

ullmandds · #3 06-22-2012, 02:23 PM

Yea...at least 2 corners touched...those areas on l and r towards bottom concern me. A super sharp card. Anyone have e98 wags's to compare those bottom defects to?

barrysloate · #4 06-22-2012, 02:47 PM

8.5, and no problem if they want to call it a 9.

Matthew H · #5 06-22-2012, 02:48 PM

It's better then mint IMO. It's beautiful

mwilliams · #6 06-22-2012, 03:05 PM

Call me crazy...the card is STUNNING, but the bottom left corner (reverse) keeps this thing out of the 8 range. We now at 7? I'll go away now

darwinbulldog · #7 06-22-2012, 03:07 PM

I'd say 7.

Chris D. · #8 06-22-2012, 03:49 PM

I have scan envy.

Jcfowler6 · #9 07-14-2012, 10:53 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7414498n&tag=api

phlflyer1 · #10 07-11-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Great card....not a 10...but amazing card. Scott M is still king of the E98's IMO.

Thanks for the sentiment, John, although this find makes the E98 set from my find quite pedestrian.

They are incredible cards and it sounds like it couldn't have happened to a nicer family. I hope they do exceedingly well in the auction!

E93 · #11 07-11-2012, 10:24 PM

Scott M. Is pure class. Happy to see you around Scott
JimB

wonkaticket · #12 07-12-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by E93

Scott M. Is pure class. Happy to see you around Scott
JimB

+1

Great seeing you pop up Scott give me a call sometime love to catch up. I hope you're doing well...I stand behind my words you're still the king of E98 Scott long live the Gang Green Set.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Nothing pedestrian about these beauties!

ctownboy · #13 07-12-2012, 06:33 AM

momof6,

It is good to hear more about this find. When Tom Hufford was telling his story, I thought for a moment there was going to be some heartbreaking news to many people on this board.

I was reading his story and he was talking about unopened tobacco products. I thought he was going to say that there were some unopened Piedmont or Sweet Caporal cardboard tobacco packs found and that either 1) because no one searching through the house smoked or 2) because no one wanted to try 100 year-old cigarettes, the packs were thrown away.

Then, after the E98's were found, did the people searching the house realize that they might have thrown away some valuable tobacco cards and went to look for them but they were already in the landfill.

David

Bicem · #14 07-12-2012, 07:04 AM

what's up with the green beaters?

phlflyer1 · #15 07-12-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

+1

Great seeing you pop up Scott give me a call sometime love to catch up. I hope you're doing well...I stand behind my words you're still the king of E98 Scott long live the Gang Green Set.

Cheers,

John

Thanks Jim and John for the kind words.

I'm still around and doing well although I haven't been too active in the hobby or on keeping up with the board the past couple of years.

Thankfully, I was alerted to this thread by a fellow collector and also by hearing about the find in the news.

I'm kind of disappointed that my old friend Pete C. did not reach out to me and let me know that he had the privilege of handling these cards since he was also the one to help me get the E98 set from my find graded back when I "came out of the woodwork" in 2005.

The cards from this find are definitely stunning and I can't wait to see how they do in the upcoming auctions as they are sold.

mklitzke · #16 07-12-2012, 10:37 AM

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

peterose4hof · #17 07-12-2012, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mklitzke

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

Do you have pictures or scans of the cards? That would really help in giving you an accurate valuation. As you probably have figured by now, condition is of the utmost importance.

Leon · #18 07-12-2012, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mklitzke

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

Yes they will definitely still have good value but it is sort of hard to say where all of this is going to put the other cards already in the hobby. No doubt that red ones already in the hobby will take bit of a hit, with so many high grades ones being found. It's hard to fathom they wouldn't come down some. Other colors, it's just too hard to say right now. Would love to see scans of them too.

momof6 · #19 07-12-2012, 08:30 PM

Alas, my "role" in this story is only that of an in-law. I did have the opportunity to spend a couple of days helping sort through the house, (what fun that was. Lots of lost "treasures"!) but due to work, I was out of the picture long before the cards were found. Most of the details I know I have learned through watching Karl being interviewed by various networks. I have been doing a lot of research on the E98, for my own information (I'm a geek like that) but truthfully, I have avoided learning all the "inside information" so I didn't have to worry about keeping it all secret!
It has been very difficult for me to see all the various stories floating around and not saying "Hey, silly! That's not right!!" Just today, a local NC Fox station had the aunt finding the cards and having to share them with her dozen nieces and nephews. How does a story get so wrong????
It has been requested that I hold off on posting any doll house pictures for right now. As soon as I am given the ok, I will gladly post.

Until then, happy bidding. I truely hope all of you that want to purchase a card have the opportunity to do so, at some point. Thanks for the welcome!

Tom Hufford · #20 07-11-2012, 10:39 PM

I was in Defiance, OH just this past weekend - my wife and I visited friends there on the way home from the SABR National Convention in Minneapolis. We had lunch with a woman we knew, and her husband who we met for the first time. When he heard about my interest in baseball, he said "you'll probably be interested in this story, then," and told me about the "Black Swamp" find. (but he didn't call it that - he called it the "Kissner's cards").

The story he told me (and he has known the family for years) has a bit of a twist to it, a bit different than what has been reported and discussed. He said the two sisters who lived in the house were real collectors/"pack rats", and that they collected anything and everything. Evidently the house was packed to the rafters, with everything imaginable. So, then he starts telling me about the TOBACCO baseball cards that were found - and that "most of them had never been opened." So I filled him in about the 1910-era cigarette cards, but warned him that if the cigarette packs hadn't been opened, they may well contain cards with birds or flags, not always baseball cards. Then he said " they weren't in packages of cigarettes, they were in packages of CHEWING TOBACCO!" (Evidently, a few packages were opened to see what was inside). When I expressed an interest in trying to see the cards, I was told that the family had "gotten in touch with some people in Texas who said the cards were authentic, and they're going to auction them off." So, that was my introduction to the "Black Swamp Find" - then all the publicity the past few days.

But, the family that found the cards had no idea what they were - all the press and hype has been about the E98 (candy) cards, but evidently the people involved mentioned cards from chewing tobacco packages (how stained would those be after 100 years?). So, perhaps some TOBACCO cards will also surface from this find!

My wife's grandfather owned a jewelry store on Clinton Street (the main street in town) in Defiance in the 1920s-60s, about two blocks from the restaurant that Karl Kissner owns. Kissner's is a beautiful place - a huge old wooden bar, pressed tin ceiling, etc. Looks pretty much unchanged from the 1910 era. Based on where Carl Hench (the fellow who saved the cards in 1910) lived and worked, I feel pretty certain that my wife's grandfather probably knew him. I wish they would have traded and collected together!

momof6 · #21 07-12-2012, 01:45 AM

Interesting story, but sorry, no tobacco cards. These cards were ment to be handed out with candy. The best we can figure, Carl Hench, a german immigrant who spoke only broken English, received the cards as promotional items, and instead of handing them out, put them in a box in the attic instead. They were in a stack of boxes which contained his children's school papers. (The (one) aunt wasn't the only one who didn't throw things out.) Also in the attic was his brother's steamer trunk from his trip to America, old gas lamp fixtures (after the house was converted to electricity) and the grandma's clothes, still folded up in a dresser.
Jean Hench didn't like to throw anything out, but the house wasn't "full to the rafters" either. Many of the items in the house were of historical value to the family - Carl Hench's 1909 wedding shoes, newspaper clippings (from the flood of 1913, the start and end of WWII and the VietNam war), old toys and games, lots and lots of pictures - things from their lives through the years. Sorry, I don't have the box, but I do have the doll house. If you tell me how to upload a picture, I will gladly do so.
I have been following your chatter since day 1. As Karl said, we have learned much and enjoyed your input. Thank you!

Matt · #22 07-12-2012, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momof6

Interesting story, but sorry, no tobacco cards. These cards were ment to be handed out with candy. The best we can figure, Carl Hench, a german immigrant who spoke only broken English, received the cards as promotional items, and instead of handing them out, put them in a box in the attic instead. They were in a stack of boxes which contained his children's school papers. (The (one) aunt wasn't the only one who didn't throw things out.) Also in the attic was his brother's steamer trunk from his trip to America, old gas lamp fixtures (after the house was converted to electricity) and the grandma's clothes, still folded up in a dresser.
Jean Hench didn't like to throw anything out, but the house wasn't "full to the rafters" either. Many of the items in the house were of historical value to the family - Carl Hench's 1909 wedding shoes, newspaper clippings (from the flood of 1913, the start and end of WWII and the VietNam war), old toys and games, lots and lots of pictures - things from their lives through the years. Sorry, I don't have the box, but I do have the doll house. If you tell me how to upload a picture, I will gladly do so.
I have been following your chatter since day 1. As Karl said, we have learned much and enjoyed your input. Thank you!

Welcome to the forum! What is your role in the story?

Leon · #23 07-12-2012, 10:11 AM

Hi There Momof6,
As I told Karl yesterday I will help ya'll any way I can. If you want to post some pictures or scans on this board just send them to me and I will do it for you. You can send them to leonl@flash.net. Thanks for coming on the board and sharing more info. Karl has my number too, if you ever need to chat about something on the phone. best regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by momof6

Interesting story, but sorry, no tobacco cards. These cards were ment to be handed out with candy. The best we can figure, Carl Hench, a german immigrant who spoke only broken English, received the cards as promotional items, and instead of handing them out, put them in a box in the attic instead. They were in a stack of boxes which contained his children's school papers. (The (one) aunt wasn't the only one who didn't throw things out.) Also in the attic was his brother's steamer trunk from his trip to America, old gas lamp fixtures (after the house was converted to electricity) and the grandma's clothes, still folded up in a dresser.
Jean Hench didn't like to throw anything out, but the house wasn't "full to the rafters" either. Many of the items in the house were of historical value to the family - Carl Hench's 1909 wedding shoes, newspaper clippings (from the flood of 1913, the start and end of WWII and the VietNam war), old toys and games, lots and lots of pictures - things from their lives through the years. Sorry, I don't have the box, but I do have the doll house. If you tell me how to upload a picture, I will gladly do so.
I have been following your chatter since day 1. As Karl said, we have learned much and enjoyed your input. Thank you!

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