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Old 07-24-2012, 03:36 PM
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Been hearing a lot of talk about gun control. I don't think it would have impacted what happened. The guy bought all of his weapons legally and had no criminal history at all. Even with the strictest gun control laws, he still would have been able to purchase the weapons.

Bottom line is if people are going to kill other people the law isn't standing in their way. Murder is illegal and it happens every day. You can't control people with rules.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:56 PM
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Been hearing a lot of talk about gun control. I don't think it would have impacted what happened. The guy bought all of his weapons legally and had no criminal history at all. Even with the strictest gun control laws, he still would have been able to purchase the weapons....
If a fully automatic AR-15 had been as easily obtained, don't you think he would have obtained and used it? The restrictions on fully automatic weapons while not perfect, are effective. Their use by criminals is relatively uncommon. Why must we always assume that other restrictions would not be effective?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:01 PM
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The restrictions on fully automatic weapons while not perfect, are effective.
You can take many semi-automatic rifles (including the AR-15) and convert them to fully automatic with minimal effort. Just Google it.
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You can take many semi-automatic rifles (including the AR-15) and convert them to fully automatic with minimal effort. Just Google it.
So - how do you explain the extremely low rate of murder by machine gun?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:12 PM
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You are avoiding the larger issue at play which is the motivation a person has to kill people regardless of their weapon of choice. A semi-automatic rifle fired the shots. But a person fired the gun. It could have been that gun or any other gun.
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You are avoiding the larger issue at play which is the motivation a person has to kill people regardless of their weapon of choice. A semi-automatic rifle fired the shots. But a person fired the gun. It could have been that gun or any other gun.
No I'm not, but you are avoiding my question - that's fine, you aren't required to answer. As far as I know, threads aren't restricted to a single issue.

As to mental health, very important and there have been interesting posts by knowledgeable people. That doesn't mean that the means used is not an issue worthy of discussion. Why must one exclude the other?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:20 PM
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You are avoiding the larger issue at play which is the motivation a person has to kill people regardless of their weapon of choice. A semi-automatic rifle fired the shots. But a person fired the gun. It could have been that gun or any other gun.
Heck, it could even been a blow gun with poison tip darts. I tried to make the same argument. He didn't get it.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:22 PM
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Murder has always been a societal problem, even before guns or "society." Do you think this man decided to kill as many people as he could so long as he was able to obtain a semi-automatic rifle? Your argument is that he wouldn't have killed as many people, right? To that I would say there is no way to quantify how motivated a deranged person is or what they are capable of.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:32 PM
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Heck, it could even been a blow gun with poison tip darts. I tried to make the same argument. He didn't get it.
While at least Packs understands the argument, you haven't understood any of this. Try and shoot 70 people in a minute with a blow gun.
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