Speaking of Mick...

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Clark7781

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud as I cherish the people's opinion to voiced such in this thread. (Chris, loved your Youtube videos and respect your opinions.)

But in the context of the initial posters' post, the opinion of this borad would dictate if he keeps the autographed photo or not.

I know that if certain people say "no good" I read it as gospel. Chris, you are one of them. But Mr. I-don't-know-anyone-one-on-net54, they might need some more specifics.

So, to help our fellow forumite, from our experts, can you cite specifics why this autograph is no bueno...

Personally, I have a few thoughts as I would be hesitant, so please share yours.

Clark, I appreciate the nice comments.

I cannot, of course, speak for anyone else, but to learn autographs is to train your eyes. It really isn't as simple as this is wrong and that is wrong. I can reference formation, slant, etc., and it's not going to be understood by the casual autograph buyer.

It takes time to train your eyes. A lot of time. Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of looking authentic. And it works, because the majority of people who purchase autographs don't know anything about the autographs they are buying.

I would also like to throw in a personal analogy. I was always very good in math, and when I was in 6th grade, they took about dozen of us and threw us in a Geometry class. At the time I was already taking Algebra II in 6th grade, but when I started the Geometry class I just could not figure this thing out. I just didn't get it. Then all-of-a-sudden, three weeks into the Geometry class, it clicked.

With autographs your trained eyes will all-of-a-sudden click. But you have to keep at it. It's not a once-a-week thing.

Look at a 1963 circa Mantle autograph and compare it to a 1990 circa Mantle autograph. The same characteristics are there in both autographs, but only the trained eye will see it.

I hope this helps a little.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Clark, I appreciate the nice comments.

I cannot, of course, speak for anyone else, but to learn autographs is to train your eyes. It really isn't as simple as this is wrong and that is wrong. I can reference formation, slant, etc., and it's not going to be understood by the casual autograph buyer.

It takes time to train your eyes. A lot of time. Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of looking authentic. And it works, because the majority of people who purchase autographs don't know anything about the autographs they are buying.

I would also like to throw in a personal analogy. I was always very good in math, and when I was in 6th grade, they took about dozen of us and threw us in a Geometry class. At the time I was already taking Algebra II in 6th grade, but when I started the Geometry class I just could not figure this thing out. I just didn't get it. Then all-of-a-sudden, three weeks into the Geometry class, it clicked.

With autographs your trained eyes will all-of-a-sudden click. But you have to keep at it. It's not a once-a-week thing.

Look at a 1963 circa Mantle autograph and compare it to a 1990 circa Mantle autograph. The same characteristics are there in both autographs, but only the trained eye will see it.

I hope this helps a little.

I love this response... so very very true.

[JimStinson]

DITTO ! On the above and very well put Christopher ! I've tried to explain it to people and they don't get it , its a GUT thing most of the time and comes from handling and looking at autographs day in and day out for many many years. You can't TEACH it ! And you can't learn it out of a book.
REMEMBER THIS ! counterfeit artists can FREE HAND TWENTY DOLLAR BILLS. If that can be done someone can certainly replicate a Mickey Mantle or Lou Gehrig to LOOK exactly the way its supposed to look. In determining authenticity a person with some experience in this arena is usually looking at MORE than just the "slant and stroke, formation etc"
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[Lordstan]

Chris,
That is a great response.
Very well put and I agree fully with your description.
Best,
Mark

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

DITTO ! On the above and very well put Christopher ! I've tried to explain it to people and they don't get it , its a GUT thing most of the time and comes from handling and looking at autographs day in and day out for many many years. You can't TEACH it ! And you can't learn it out of a book.
REMEMBER THIS ! counterfeit artists can FREE HAND TWENTY DOLLAR BILLS. If that can be done someone can certainly replicate a Mickey Mantle or Lou Gehrig to LOOK exactly the way its supposed to look. In determining authenticity a person with some experience in this arena is usually looking at MORE than just the "slant and stroke, formation etc"
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Jim, Mark and Ben, your comments are much appreciated.

Jim, your comment is right on the money.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Please read the below new thread.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...46#post1020346