A couple of "beauties" that did not go cheaply

[shelly]

As I remember Drew Max's company used to advertise that they had a Million dollar policy from Lloyd's of London. This was to prove to you that if there was anything wrong with there examination you where covered. I guess Lloyd's figured out what was going on and dropped them like a hot potato. That of course is if he really had a policy. I will say this for Drew. When I sent him some of the Marino's pieces he hit fifty percent vs The Donald's 100%

[TyrusRCobb]

This thread is fascinating. I suppose, as a new collector, the lesson I take from all of this is you can't really trust the big guys. I've already discovered that sometimes you can't trust the little guys either. Does this mean that good collectors must have a hint of paranoia to go along with their knowledge base? Or do good, honest collectors simply form a community with other good, honest collectors?

[David Atkatz]

Drew Max is not one of the "big guys."

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

This thread is fascinating. I suppose, as a new collector, the lesson I take from all of this is you can't really trust the big guys. I've already discovered that sometimes you can't trust the little guys either. Does this mean that good collectors must have a hint of paranoia to go along with their knowledge base? Or do good, honest collectors simply form a community with other good, honest collectors?

Are you referring to Drew Max as one of the "big guys?"

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Are you referring to Drew Max as one of the "big guys?"

Don't be so quick to put him down, he is a TV star and you are not .

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Don't be so quick to put him down, he is a TV star and you are not .

YouTube notwithstanding.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Don't be so quick to put him down, he is a TV star and you are not .

You got me there, Richard. Even my 2-3 hours of being interviewed by Armen Keteyian all ended up on the cutting room floor...

[shelly]

I can understand that.He was looking for a pretty face and you my friend did not meet that standard.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

I can understand that.He was looking for a pretty face and you my friend did not meet that standard.

Is that why you were in the shadows, Shelly...

I mean Eddie...

[sylbry]

The seller should make a trip to Las Vegas. I can think of a pawn shop that believes Drew Max is credible. Should have no time selling it for a nice profit.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Are you referring to Drew Max as one of the "big guys?"

When I clicked on the link provided by the OP I was directed to what seems to be a rather large auction house. I was referring to the auction house as "the big guys." In point of fact, and showing my obvious ignorance about collecting, I haven't the slightest idea who Drew Max is. Having said that I'm going to look him up.

[shelly]

Chris, the reason I was in the shadows is that the light would have bounced off my head.
Ty. when you look him up please don't throw up.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by shelly

Chris, the reason I was in the shadows is that the light would have bounced off my head.
Ty. when you look him up please don't throw up.

So having looked him up and seeing that he is on Pawn Stars is it fair to assume that he is in cahoots with the pawn shop? Perhaps cahoots is the wrong word. Rather, is he being paid to see what the pawn shop wants him to see?

[travrosty]

they have him on the show because he is local, like the card shop guy, the vintage toy guy, and the hotrod restorer guy, and almost all the other consultants they bring in.

they tried getting someone out of state in there on autographs and he screwed up just as bad as anyone ever has. so might as well save the travel expenses and use the local guy.

They are hearing from 20 different sources who is the best and who can and can't authenticate. they bring in someone else, and they get it in their ear even more, so they figure might as well go with the guy from vegas because no matter who they choose they keep hearing the same thing, criticism about the guy's ability, so they figure they can't win, but they need to bring in somebody.

They are not fighting the autograph wars, they are putting on a reality show.

They get the item lined up first then call in Drew, he has ample time to look at the auto before he even strolls in the front door.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

I will say this for Drew. When I sent him some of the Marino's pieces he hit fifty percent vs The Donald's 100%

So to whom did you send the 50% that Drew rejected? (I'm sure you weren't about to throw away half your profit.)

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

So to whom did you send the 50% that Drew rejected? (I'm sure you weren't about to throw away half your profit.)

I'm sure you know this already, but Shelly didn't send them to Drew to get certs to sell. He was testing his ability to spot known fakes.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'm sure you know this already, but Shelly didn't send them to Drew to get certs to sell. He was testing his ability to spot known fakes.

Wasn't that what he told the FBI when they caught him?

Seriously, though, sometimes I confuse the times Shelly was ripping off collectors and the times he was protecting them.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Wasn't that what he told the FBI when they caught him?

Seriously, though, sometimes I confuse the times Shelly was ripping off collectors and the times he was protecting them.

What might help your confusion is this: every time he posts something, post right after him "Felon! Felon!"

I think this will help.

Ken

[shelly]

David,
I have no idea why you have such an interest in me. I am not one of the students that feel that you don't even deserve the title of PhD. I do know that you have no idea what was said to the FBI by me or anyone else.The other thing you might not know about me is that I am not a sick and deranged person like yourself
It is hard to deal with someone that is mad at the world and the only way to get attention is to insult anyone that you feel is vulnerable. I will repeat this for the last time I am and always will be a felon. You on the other hand will always be just a tiny sick man who has little life. I would never like bring up anyone's family but I would love to know how they can stand you.
It is obvious that at least some of your students could not. Here are six of the quotes from some of the students taken right off the rating website:

"The most common phrase that Atkatz (notice he does not use the Dr. word either) uses during this class is "How do I say this?" because he is unable to explain anything. He is not prepared and cannot hide it. (sounds like a guy who bought a bogus 1927 ball because he was not prepared). He is not helpful in any way, makes many mistakes in class, and confuses all students. Do not take this class unless you are prepared to teach yourself."
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"Terrible teacher, makes fun of students who ask legitimate questions. Arrogant. Uncaring advisor, acts like you're wasting his time. I expected to be a physics major. After this instructor, I changed my mind." (that arrogant and uncaring part sure sounds like it could have come from a Net54 user).
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"worst teacher i've ever had. avoid at all costs, you won't learn a thing. i had my friend go into class for me wearing my clothes, went withough a hitch."
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"worst teacher i can remember, dating back to kindergarten."
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"Stay away."
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"One of the worst classes I ever took in my yrs at skidmore. He sucks big time."
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9 out of 12 rated Mr Atkatz as poor. And this from a student body that only gave 6 or 7 ratings to most teachers. His overall score was 1.8 out of 5.
That my dear man is worse than Drew Max.
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[David Atkatz]

I never cheated anyone. I never ratted on my partners.

And I never did time.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

I would never like bring up anyone's family but I would love to know how they can stand you.

LOL! "I would never bring up anyone's family... but I'll just do it now."

Shelly, I don't give a good goddamn what you say about me. If you get your jollies posting six quotes from seventeen-year-olds I gave poor grades to, go right ahead. As Bob Dylan said, "Call me any name you like. I will never deny it."

But don't ever mention my family again.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

What might help your confusion is this: every time he posts something, post right after him "Felon! Felon!"

I think this will help.

Ken

If by "every time" you mean "once," OK.