Seemingly enhanced/altered Harry Truman signed baseball featured on haulsofshame.com

drc · #1 08-09-2012, 01:52 AM

I think when an autograph comes with a LOA from Company X, EAC calls that the provenance. Just their idiosyncratic way of describing things. At EAC, "PSA provenance" means it has a PSA LOA-- usually nothing more.

I would guess the first auction's COA is the "provenance" in the second auction, and there is no second Reznikoff document. Just my guess.

travrosty · #2 08-09-2012, 09:04 AM

It does not seem they would be able to enclose the first coa to the winning bidder on the eac auction because it shows the original faded signature on the ball. plus eac could see for themselves it is not the same faded signature, but a bold one now so how could they auction it off? to me, they didn't have the original coa unless someone took the original coa and changed out photos.

jgmp123 · #3 08-09-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

It does not seem they would be able to enclose the first coa to the winning bidder on the eac auction because it shows the original faded signature on the ball. plus eac could see for themselves it is not the same faded signature, but a bold one now so how could they auction it off? to me, they didn't have the original coa unless someone took the original coa and changed out photos.

Sounds like a good question for Larry Rosenbaum...the biggest question here is how did the auction companies sell with the COA's showing different pictures and was the previous COA's even sent to the buyer?

prewarsports · #4 08-09-2012, 09:55 AM

Seriously, who would take a vintage piece of history like that and have the BALLS to even attempt to trace over it? I understand the money, but it seems like such a risky move. Clearly the same ball. I would think "tracing" back the chain of title on something like this could be very easily done and the culprit could be found.

jgmp123 · #5 08-09-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by prewarsports

Seriously, who would take a vintage piece of history like that and have the BALLS to even attempt to trace over it? I understand the money, but it seems like such a risky move. Clearly the same ball. I would think "tracing" back the chain of title on something like this could be very easily done and the culprit could be found.

But if everyone's pockets are getting bigger, why make the effort...

thetruthisoutthere · #6 08-09-2012, 10:30 AM

Travis wrote "Isn't this something the hobby watchdogs should dig into and figure out how this can happen to our beloved autograph collecting hobby? Even if it is to clear the authenticators name or auction house of any wrongdoing, especially to do that if they didn't have anything to do with it? And to find out just who did have something to do with it?"

You're already doing it, Travis, so what's your beef?

drc · #7 08-09-2012, 12:05 PM

I didn't know what the first COA looked like and just assumed it was one of those pictureless auction house PSA loas.

jgmp123 · #8 08-09-2012, 12:37 PM

I just had a great conversation with Larry Rosenbaum at EAC Gallery and here is what he said...
Anytime they list an item that has been professionally restored, they mention that in the listing....He said that he is not sure why this particular listing omitted that and that the buyer was contacted and a credit/refund was issued because obviously it wouldn't have sold for that amount if it had stated "restored".

He also stated that there specialty is historic documents, not sports and that they bring in an authenticator like PSA or JSA to tell handle the authenticity of the item....

As far as the "provenance" or previous LOA for the item, he did not have any info on that as, he stated, it happened almost 7 years ago.

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